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Re:Initial Covid-19 infection rate may be 80 times greater t... by azinman2 on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @03:41AM (#23625202)
Except you can see the excess total deaths compared to previous years and how well it correlates and is otherwise unexplained [1].

A lot of the labeling occurred because people couldn’t get tested yet presented symptoms that indicated covid. In that situation, you can’t say 100% without a test, yet it’s the reasonable conclusion in a pandemic.

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

Re:Initial Covid-19 infection rate may be 80 times greater t... by verylittlemeat on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @03:50AM (#23625267)
Something worth keeping in mind is how many fewer people died of other causes compared to previous years [1]. Yes, the data will show an excess number of people died versus previous years but I believe the parent comment is saying we should pay close attention to what the cause of death really means in terms of age and comorbidity.

[1] https://i.imgur.com/HfaMhcK.jpg

Re:Initial Covid-19 infection rate may be 80 times greater t... by SifJar on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @04:28AM (#23625533)
One further thing to bear in mind here is that some causes of death can be expected to be decreased on account of lockdowns e.g. accidents - less people out and about, less people driving etc. will naturally lead to less accidents. Of course on the flip side, more people stuck at home & using the time to do renovation work etc. could lead to an increase in e.g. power tool related accidents.

Other causes of death such as flu can likely also be assumed to be decreased as a side-effect of lockdown

Re:Initial Covid-19 infection rate may be 80 times greater t... by leereeves on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @05:35AM (#23625942)
Contrariwise, people are avoiding treatment for other illnesses for fear of catching COVID in a hospital. Many people are depressed or even suicidal. And people are less active, which aggravates other health problems. All of these factors could increase the number of deaths.
Re:Initial Covid-19 infection rate may be 80 times greater t... by addicted on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:32AM (#23627110)
3 months of lower activity is not killing people in those 3 months.

Any effects will be felt on a much longer timeframe.

Most office workers have very sedentary lives anyways, that didn’t become significantly more sedentary when they replaced their drive with a walk to another room and working in an office with working in that room.

Throw in the fact that they are likely cooking more because restaurants and all were shut and not just having lunch delivered to their office, they may even be getting more activity in.

Re:Initial Covid-19 infection rate may be 80 times greater t... by SifJar on Thursday June 25, 2020 @04:01AM (#23638039)
Plus no commute leaves more free time in the evenings for exercise etc. Obviously not everyone will be doing that, but anecdotally a few people I've talked to from work are going for more walks & cycles etc.
Re:Initial Covid-19 infection rate may be 80 times greater t... by kolinko on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @05:49AM (#23626040)
If it was significant in comparison, we would not see a sharp drop in deaths after the lockdowns.

Do people get depressed and die because of a lovkdown? Sure, I got depressed as well. But the numbers show that this issue is far less than the number of people that would die otherwise.

Re:Initial Covid-19 infection rate may be 80 times greater t... by zaroth on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @03:54AM (#23625298)
Curious if we know specifically what caused the tens of thousands of excess deaths that showed up around January 2018? Was that a particularly bad flu season?