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Re:I Am Deleting the Blog by catacombs on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @11:09AM (#23614891)
> The implication being that the NYT wants to use real names to drive clicks and appease advertisers?

This shows a lack of how journalism works. Using real names isn't to "drive clicks" and "appease advertisers." It's to add credibility to a story.

Think about it: Does a furniture business advertising in the local paper care whether the victim of a shooting is named in a piece? Sure, the owner might know the victim, but that doesn't mean the business will determine its expenditures based on names.

Re:I Am Deleting the Blog by pdonis on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @02:21PM (#23618048)
> Using real names isn't to "drive clicks" and "appease advertisers." It's to add credibility to a story.

If the NYT actually thinks they need to use the real name of the author of Slate Star Codex to add credibility to a story about the blog, they're delusional.

I think it's much more likely that they simply don't care about the valid personal concerns of people they write about.

Re:I Am Deleting the Blog by foob4r on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @03:59PM (#23619450)
Regardless, revealing someone's real name is orthogonal to clicks or ad revenue.
Re:I Am Deleting the Blog by andy_ppp on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @04:36PM (#23619886)
Why did the journalist search out the real name which is clearly difficult and then not talk to his interviewee about his name being released; because he knew it was immoral.
Re:I Am Deleting the Blog by foob4r on Friday June 26, 2020 @09:45AM (#23651887)
Your morality is not relevant to good journalism.
Re:I Am Deleting the Blog by rndgermandude on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @09:20PM (#23622796)
It's actually not. People in general like "good stories" and will read and share them more. Adding "credibility" will drive the perception as a "good" story and therefore to some degree clicks as well.
Re:I Am Deleting the Blog by pdonis on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @04:27PM (#23619774)
Depends on who's clicking and who the advertisers are.
Re:I Am Deleting the Blog by crazypython on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @11:30AM (#23615221)
Well, in that case, the journalists should adapt and give credibility through pseudonymity.
Re:I Am Deleting the Blog by catacombs on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @11:44AM (#23615454)
Which is possible through the use of other sources. But it depends on the situation. A pseudonym is appropriate for victims of sex crimes and exploitation.
Re:I Am Deleting the Blog by Fnoord on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @12:03PM (#23615743)
Anonymity and/or pseudonym are appropriate in certain situations. In this situation, you have a source you know which is credible (you know their name), and they ask you not to publish their name. In such a case, it is standard journalist ethics in The Netherlands to not disclose the name. Sex crimes and exploitation are two (good) examples of such, but there are other examples as well. Consider for example a whistle blower, a (former) member of a cult, or -to put it generally- someone who can, realistically, be threatened when their real name is released. Such is the very case here. I am in awe that The New York Times does not adhere to the very same principles as the Dutch media do, although I am aware that the vow has been broken here as well (such as in the case of Rob Oudkerk and Parool's Heleen van Royen).
Re:I Am Deleting the Blog by catacombs on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @12:26PM (#23616149)
> In such a case, it is standard journalist ethics in The Netherlands to not disclose the name.

That's in The Netherlands, a country with different laws and regulations for the press.

This case is specific to the United States, with its own rules and protections.

Re:I Am Deleting the Blog by sigstoat on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @12:42PM (#23616408)
there's nothing stopping the NYT from being more ethical than US law requires them to be. and they regularly argue that current US law isn't sufficiently ethical (though perhaps not on this issue).
Re:I Am Deleting the Blog by Fnoord on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @03:41PM (#23619221)
I was talking about an aspect of the ethical standard for journalism in The Netherlands; not the law.
Re:I Am Deleting the Blog by CamperBob2 on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @12:41AM (#23624170)
It's also appropriate in cases where the subject's real name isn't relevant to the story in any way. That's certainly true here.
Re:I Am Deleting the Blog by thw0rted on Friday July 03, 2020 @08:33AM (#23723409)
This is what bothers me most about the story. If someone is "internet famous" for blogging under a particular name, but not famous at all in their private life under their real name, their blog handle is newsworthy and their real name is not. It would be like reporting on an actor or musician and insisting on using their birth name throughout the story, with one reference to their stage name at the beginning of the piece.

I doubt the NYT has a lot of pieces on "Declan MacManus" in their archives -- if they can just use "Elvis Costello", they could certainly stick to calling the SSC guy by the name he uses online.

Re:I Am Deleting the Blog by tc313 on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @01:03PM (#23616792)
I think the person you are responding to was trying to figure out what kerkeslager's point was, rather than stating his own conclusion. I am a bit confused myself as to what the connection is between name-publishing policies and sources of funding.
Re:I Am Deleting the Blog by Nasrudith on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @11:49AM (#23615525)
It is a pretty damn dubious measure of credibility and it has already failed when suggested for civility.

I am honestly starting to think real name policies are just about hating anominity at this point.

Re:I Am Deleting the Blog by imtringued on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @05:06AM (#23625778)
The idea behind a real name policy is that you open yourself up for scrutiny and criticism. Since you can be held accountable for what you say you have an incentive to say the truth or at least avoid making mistakes. The reality is that on the internet thousands of people will criticize you for any arbitrary reason even if that reason is actually a fabricated lie or just a personal bias.
Re:I Am Deleting the Blog by catacombs on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @11:55AM (#23615629)
If you value your privacy, don't speak to reporters and take every protection to protect your identity. This thinking goes from the basement dweller to the billionaire.

However, if your information is revealed, don't be shocked when someone approaches you with that information because you didn't cover your tracks.

Re:I Am Deleting the Blog by FeepingCreature on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @08:04PM (#23622106)
We're not surprised, we're just disappointed.
Re:I Am Deleting the Blog by msla on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @11:34AM (#23615288)
> Using real names isn't to "drive clicks" and "appease advertisers." It's to add credibility to a story.

What about not revealing sources? Didn't journalists used to go to jail for that one?

Re:I Am Deleting the Blog by catacombs on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @11:40AM (#23615390)
Correct. Judith Miller is an example. However, her information turned out to be inaccurate. But she wasn't willing to oust her source.

Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein, of Watergate fame, famously refused to reveal their FBI source, Deep Throat, for decades. Of course, they didn't go to jail.