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Re:Apple announces it will switch to its own processors for ... by leoedin on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @04:17AM (#23611198)
Do many people care about phone CPU performance? Sure, it needs to be good enough, but after that it's really far down on the list of things that matter.

What matters to everyone I know is screen size, camera quality and that a really small selection of apps (messaging, maps, email, browser, bank app) work well. Raw CPU performance is only a very abstract concept.

Re:Apple announces it will switch to its own processors for ... by nmfisher on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @04:53AM (#23611416)
Raw CPU performance, perhaps not. But people definitely do care about a specific set of user-facing, ML-driven functionality - think speech recognition, speech synthesis, realtime video filtering, and so on.

Many of these are only barely possible on "pre-neural" mobile ARM CPUs, and at a significant cost to power consumption. Developing for newer devices is like night and day.

Re:Apple announces it will switch to its own processors for ... by martinald on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @05:47AM (#23611766)
Not sure that's true to be honest. Speech recognition on my old Pixel 2 is miles ahead of anything I've seen on any iPhone, which are 2-4x faster.
Re:Apple announces it will switch to its own processors for ... by nmfisher on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @10:00AM (#23614000)
Google's speech recognition is damn impressive, but I'm talking performance/power consumption, not "quality". Sticking a 2080 into an iPhone won't give you better speech recognition results, but it will give you bad results faster.
Re:Apple announces it will switch to its own processors for ... by RNCTX on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @06:58AM (#23626485)
Because speech recognition quality is a product of data harvesting, the one thing Google does well?
Re:Apple announces it will switch to its own processors for ... by cesarb on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @07:30AM (#23612530)
> > Many of these are only barely possible on "pre-neural" mobile ARM CPUs

> Speech recognition on my old Pixel 2

I don't think the Pixel 2 can be called "pre-neural". "[...] The PVC is a fully programmable image, vision and AI multi-core domain-specific architecture (DSA) for mobile devices and in future for IoT.[2] It first appeared in the Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL [...]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_Visual_Core

Re:Apple announces it will switch to its own processors for ... by pjmlp on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @07:03AM (#23612339)
When speech recognition starts understanding European Portuguese without me playing stupid accent exercises, and mixed language sentences as well, then I will care about it.
Re:Apple announces it will switch to its own processors for ... by yyyk on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @08:38AM (#23613052)
I suspect access to a vast trove of user data is more important for ML than raw CPU power on the client.
Re:Apple announces it will switch to its own processors for ... by nmfisher on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @09:54AM (#23613936)
I'm just talking real-time performance and power consumption, not accuracy.