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Re:Trump suspends H1B, H4 visas till year end by GregoryVPerry on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @04:16AM (#23611189)
That's not the reality of H1B. The reality of H1B is a recruiting industry completely dominated by Indian headhunters, who submit only Indians and not native U.S. citizens to their corporate clients. Followed by Indian H1B recipients then moving into two or three bedroom apartments they share with 10 - 15 H1B visa recipients, everyone splitting the rent and utilities, and sending the majority of their cash back to India.

U.S. workers in the engineering and technical disciplines cannot compete with H1B visa applicants who are submitted at probably 30% market rates and wages, and openly discriminate in the work place if you're the token white dude U.S. citizen working in the same office. H1B is miserable, corporate welfare for Zuckerberg and Bezos.

Re:Trump suspends H1B, H4 visas till year end by abc_lisper on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @12:27AM (#23624095)
As an Indian on H-1B, most of your views are correct, except 30% market rate. Discrimination is there, but not rampant, or significant. There are pockets of discrimination in bigcos.
Re:Trump suspends H1B, H4 visas till year end by tracer4201 on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @04:37AM (#23611317)
Some of this has some merit, but Zuckerberg and Bezos are actually paying the same salaries... 24 year olds making in excess of $200K, and senior engineering roles $300-$400k, with Amazon on the lower end. These aren’t 10 people living in one apartment to send all their money to India. That part of your post is misinformed.
Re:Trump suspends H1B, H4 visas till year end by dominotw on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @12:15PM (#23615952)
but with h1b you aren't getting the same employee though. You are getting an employee who doesn't have much freedom to switch his job, doesn't have leverage to negotiate a raise, cannot say no to overtime requests.

I would def hire an H1B even it costs me upfront premium for those reasons.

Re:Trump suspends H1B, H4 visas till year end by tracer4201 on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @01:32AM (#23624434)
FB, Amazon, etc are not having H1Bs work any more hours than other employees. If you’re already paid $300K+ before you’re 30, I don’t think you’re being abused if you ask for a raise and the employer says no, but in any case, these companies have stringent promotion processes. It’s not based on your visa or residential status. These conspiracies may be real at the IT recruiting companies that farm talent from India, but FB, Amazon, Google, MSFT are actually going after top hires. They’re hiring H1Bs because a lot of Americans don’t pass the interviews. The technical bar is high... now whether you agree on that style of leet code interviews is another topic entirely.
Re:Trump suspends H1B, H4 visas till year end by dominotw on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @09:32AM (#23627664)
1. A bank in midwest doens't do ' leet code interviews'

2. Yes FAANG's might be ethical h1b users that pay 300k+ but that doesn't automatically imply everyone else is.

3. I have personal experience with this have encountered higher manager wanting to hire h1b for the reasons i've described above.

4. X is conspiracy theory because there are exceptions to X is a basic logic fail. 'real conspiracy' is an oxymoron.

Re:Trump suspends H1B, H4 visas till year end by theshadowmonkey on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @01:22PM (#23617111)
How is this true? H1B employees can freely move jobs, with a small delay in moving visas.
Re:Trump suspends H1B, H4 visas till year end by dominotw on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @01:59PM (#23617698)
> H1B employees can freely move jobs

No they cannot, this causes issues with their perm processing. You need to find an employer that can sponser your greencard otherwise you are out of country in 6 yrs. So you not just have find an employer that will transfer your h1b but also pick up perm processing from your previous employer.

More info here,

https://www.murthy.com/2019/12/26/how-a-job-changes-may-impa...

This is just one example.

It is far far far away from 'freely'. Given the arbitrary nature of uscis processing people try to minimize their iteraction with the agency. No visa employee will attempt this risky move for a 10k salary bump.

Re:Trump suspends H1B, H4 visas till year end by theshadowmonkey on Thursday July 02, 2020 @10:18PM (#23720452)
You just need one perm and 140 approval. And most companies are ready to start processing your green card in 3-6 months after you start at the latest. It is not as convenient as getting up tomorrow and walking away. But, it is definitely not as dire as you seem to be.
Re:Trump suspends H1B, H4 visas till year end by chillacy on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @02:55PM (#23618509)
I don't know the truthfulness of the claim but I've spoken with several colleagues on H1B and they were all very reluctant to take any risks due to their visa status. But I also know others who have gone on to change companies for the better.
Re:Trump suspends H1B, H4 visas till year end by empath75 on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @08:20AM (#23612890)
US tech workers are making a fortune and I don’t think I’ve ever worried about my job being replaced by someone from India. I don’t even have a college degree.
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Re:Trump suspends H1B, H4 visas till year end by dang on Thursday June 25, 2020 @04:22PM (#23645231)
Your recent comments have been breaking the site guidelines past the point of vandalism. I'm taking that as an indication that you don't want to use HN as intended, so have banned the account.

If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email [email protected] and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Re:Trump suspends H1B, H4 visas till year end by Bhilai on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @11:03AM (#23614797)
Wow, your views cannot be more misinformed.
Re:Trump suspends H1B, H4 visas till year end by GregoryVPerry on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @04:50AM (#23625694)
Great, thanks for your one line nothing.
Re:Trump suspends H1B, H4 visas till year end by GregoryVPerry on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @04:48AM (#23625679)
YC is fucking bullshit, what is a flagged post? This has upvotes, not downvotes, but based on "flagged post" this doesn't show up unless I login?

My post again, and stop flagging it you angry H1B workers that leave 20 pairs of shoes outside of your hovel:

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There is no question H1B visa holders can escalate through the ranks and make a bunch of cash in the United States.

And that's exactly what is wrong with the entire thing. That entire teams of Indian H1B visa holders will immediately get whitey off the project, every single time, while making sure that the hiring manager and technical team leads are always Indian. This is the caste system, re-invented here the U.S. And you cannot get shit done if you are a competent engineer dealing with an offshore team or onshore H1B team. They will not do what you tell them to do. They will argue about every single point. They will trash your credibility and refuse to implement anything, using groupthink that controls the entire project. Managing a team of onshore H1B workers is nothing but interoffice politics that they completely control in all aspects. It's blatantly racist and has destroyed U.S. worker opportunity in the engineering fields, all of them.

H1B is a complete scam, especially in the Beltway / Northern Virginia area where everything is a billable contract. Headhunters get their fee and/or a large chunk of the first year's hourly revenue. The company hiring the H1B worker is on some federal project or grant and is making the spread between what the headhunter charges and the hourly rate on the contract. The hiring company couldn't give a shit less about the quality of work provided by Indian H1B workers, nor is a college degree granted from an Indian university anywhere near what is required in the U.S. from an engineering perspective - there is no comparison in the quality of education, nor have I ever met a single H1B engineer that was better than anything but a limited segment of technology that they specialize in, by design, because that requires their team in order to complete the project.

Makes total sense if you're the headhunter and hiring company, both of whom only care about having a warm body in a seat that is billable, and you can get three warm bodies in the seat for the price of one market rate position using H1B. It's complete bullshit, a scam on the taxpayer and attack on U.S. workers. Worthless 99% of the time, and the 1% of H1B engineers that actually do know what they are doing are not worth the damage the H1B program has done to the entire U.S. technical space.