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Re:Video Games Are the Future of Education by hrktb on Sunday June 21, 2020 @09:07PM (#23596611)
It seems the author is not thinking about games (educational or not) in the common sense, but in way broader terms:

> A video game is just: > > (a) a simulation of reality > (b) with fast feedback loops.

I’d agree with both of you.

“Educational” games are a hard sell. I’m a parent and the educational mini-games pushed by school is boring to death and won’t stick with my kid. It’s hard to articulate, but the underlying principle of trying to teach a specific thing doesn’t go well. Yet the ones that I found that seemed to work ok had way lower “educational” focus, and it was hard to recommend over any other standard game.

Then simulations stick very well.

Minecraft is a barebone one and “teaches” a ton of true and untrue stuff. Racing simulations stuck, flight simulator stuck, hell even lego simulator stuck. I see animal crossing in the same vein, and am trying to find a serious fishing simulator as a beginner’s guide to fishing. And kids can spend hours on Streetview for the same reason.

Re:Video Games Are the Future of Education by ImaCake on Sunday June 21, 2020 @09:45PM (#23596776)
I'd argue that micro controllers and educational/programmable robots fit into this category as well. They allow the kind of play and learning that makes them both engaging and valuable for education.
Re:Video Games Are the Future of Education by hrktb on Sunday June 21, 2020 @10:43PM (#23596996)
Totally. The lego technic sets are a boon in that respect, mindstorms being a very good entrypoint to programming (“telling a machine to do stuff on its own”) in particular, and to engineering in general.

The new Spike set looks promising.

Re:Video Games Are the Future of Education by eru on Sunday June 21, 2020 @09:18PM (#23596650)
The original Sim City also comes to mind. It teaches a lot, but is still fun.
Re:Video Games Are the Future of Education by tasogare on Monday June 22, 2020 @01:30AM (#23597519)
I spend hundreds of hours on this series (from 2000 to 4) and I love it yet I don’t think I learnt much out of it. "People and companies want low taxes", "nuclear power plant are dangerous" and "wind power is inefficient", that’s pretty much it.

Also when I was kind I wasn’t really able to build a good city. I understood years later this is because the game expects cities to be built in the US fashion: big residencial/commercial/industrial zones separated from each other, linked by roads, lot of roads. And square based layouts. That was totally different from where I lived so I’ve always found the cities layout that works in the game where very artificial. So there wasn’t too much to learn about city planning.

Re:Video Games Are the Future of Education by dragonwriter on Monday June 22, 2020 @02:59AM (#23597893)
> Also when I was kind I wasn’t really able to build a good city. I understood years later this is because the game expects cities to be built in the US fashion: big residencial/commercial/industrial zones separated from each other, linked by roads, lot of roads. And square based layouts.

It...does not. It uses and underlying low-level simulation model which can be satisfied lots of different ways, but what you describe is not one that works particularly well for it.

Re:Video Games Are the Future of Education by eru on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @08:59PM (#23622639)
Well, in Sim City you can't mix residential and commercial on the same square. And the bigger buildings need more than a single square, I think.

In real life, I very much like having shops on the ground floor of residential buildings. Very convenient for me.

Re:Video Games Are the Future of Education by eru on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @08:57PM (#23622628)
Funny enough, the three 'things' you learned out of it ain't even all true. :) Still a great game!

I played mostly Sim City 2000.

Re:Video Games Are the Future of Education by anthk on Monday June 22, 2020 @04:15AM (#23598194)
Now it's libre, Check Micropolis.

Also lincity/linticy-ng are great too, even more for a climate changing world.

Re:Video Games Are the Future of Education by OGWhales on Sunday June 21, 2020 @10:47PM (#23597013)
The author even mentioned how games designed to be educational are usually boring and not well received.