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Re:Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth (2003) by ArtDev on Friday June 19, 2020 @05:56AM (#23572877)
Well they certainly aren't fairing very well under the iron fist of China either.
Re:Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth (2003) by bildung on Friday June 19, 2020 @06:06AM (#23572914)
You mean beside not getting raped by the feudal lords anymore, the end of punishments like gouging out eyes and severing hamstrings, the doubling of life expectancy, access to healthcare and education?

I'm all for criticising lack of democratic progress in China, but Tibet really is a bad argument for that.

Re:Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth (2003) by watwut on Friday June 19, 2020 @07:26AM (#23573285)
The period in question involves cultural revolution period. That was not exactly a small thing nor a nice thing.
Re:Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth (2003) by trasz on Friday June 19, 2020 @06:00AM (#23572892)
[citation needed]. Compared to their previous situation, of course.
Re:Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth (2003) by indigo945 on Friday June 19, 2020 @06:06AM (#23572910)
The thing with feudal Tibet was that the monks didn't actually interfere with the average Tibetan's life too much. Unlike authoritarian China, dissenters in Tibet were by and large tolerated. For example, the newspaper Tibet Mirror was widely circulated in Tibet before the Chinese invasion, particularly among the ruling clerical strata, despite propagating Christian ideas and calling for political reform. That stopped very quickly after 1950.
Re:Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth (2003) by trasz on Friday June 19, 2020 @06:39AM (#23573055)
Another thing largely tolerated in pre-Chinese Tibet was slavery. Which also stopped very quickly after 1950.

There are priorities. Chinese broke something of a lesser priority (free press), while providing something of a much higher priority (abolition of slavery).

Re:Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth (2003) by aspenmayer on Friday June 19, 2020 @06:49AM (#23573098)
It’s funny that in America we got those values inverted - freedom of the press first, and equality for other races and cultures much later. Both China and America are still dealing with their legacies of human rights violations, which continue in both countries today.
Re:Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth (2003) by sbmthakur on Friday June 19, 2020 @07:33AM (#23573318)
True but that came at the cost of being subservient to the CCP.
Re:Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth (2003) by ginko on Friday June 19, 2020 @07:04AM (#23573160)
I don't think comparing 1950 feudal Tibet to modern day Tibet under Chinese rule is entirely fair. The assumption being that an independent Tibet wouldn't have changed at all in the last 70 years.
Re:Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth (2003) by trasz on Friday June 19, 2020 @07:54AM (#23573416)
They were feudal country in the fifties. That suggests being rather slow at social changes.

Also, "figures show that since the early 1960s, the Tibetan population has been increasing, probably for the first time for centuries" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Tibet).

Re:Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth (2003) by ginko on Friday June 19, 2020 @07:57AM (#23573440)
My guess is that an independent Tibet would have developed at about the same pace as neighboring Bhutan, which abolished slavery in 1958 and turned into a constitutional monarchy in 2005.

There are still human rights issues in Bhutan, but it's a far cry from where they were 70 years ago.

Re:Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth (2003) by trasz on Friday June 19, 2020 @08:43AM (#23573898)
Okay. Is there some comparison of living conditions between modern day Bhutan and Tibet?
Re:Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth (2003) by ginko on Friday June 19, 2020 @08:59AM (#23574039)
I guess such comparisons are hard to make and bound to be subjective.

According to [1] Bhutan's HDI was 6.17 in 2018, while according to [2] the regional HDI of Tibet was 5.85. So at the very least they're not particularly far apart from each other.

[1] http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/BTN

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_administrative_divisio...

Re:Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth (2003) by greencore on Friday June 19, 2020 @08:39AM (#23573870)
Bhutan almost haven't changed. Only in 2008 they had first elections.