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Re:Neil Armstrong's reply to a Moon landing skeptic by Falling3 on Friday June 19, 2020 @02:22AM (#23571570)
That's not the point though. If Aldrin's implicit argument is the US government would never try and defraud its citizen, then any example of such a fraud disproves him.
Re:Neil Armstrong's reply to a Moon landing skeptic by Trasmatta on Friday June 19, 2020 @02:31AM (#23571629)
Do you mean Armstrong? Because I went back and read the argument in the letter, and that's not his argument at all.

His first argument was that it's incredibly unlikely that 400,000 people would have been complicit in such a fraud with none of him breaking ranks.

His second argument was all of the scientific experts from other countries who all agree it actually happened.

He didn't make any claims about how "the US government would never try and defraud its citizen".

Re:Neil Armstrong's reply to a Moon landing skeptic by me_me_me on Friday June 19, 2020 @07:35AM (#23573327)
Just imagine if Soviet Union could prove US faked the Apollo program, faked claims of landing on the moon.

But i bet Soviet Union was on the conspiracy too xD

Re:Neil Armstrong's reply to a Moon landing skeptic by majewsky on Friday June 19, 2020 @08:11AM (#23573599)
puts on additional layer of tinfoil hat

Of course the Soviets were in on it. They didn't publicly humiliate the US because they feared Mad Man Nixon would start WW3 over it. IT ALL MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

Re:Neil Armstrong's reply to a Moon landing skeptic by iainmerrick on Friday June 19, 2020 @02:33AM (#23571638)
The fact that it’s the US government isn’t the important bit; Armstrong isn’t asking you to trust the government, and his entire argument is explicit, no reading between the lines required.

What’s important is the “gigantic fraud involving 400,000 people” part -- clearly establishing that it would have had to be a pretty extreme effort. And rather than just saying “trust us”, he explicitly suggests asking people outside that group, such as scientists from other countries, who would be able to verify whether the moon landing was real.

Re:Neil Armstrong's reply to a Moon landing skeptic by lixtra on Friday June 19, 2020 @02:53AM (#23571776)
How many people work in the homeopathy industry?

You can create that kind of group think were many do believe in what they are doing.

Re:Neil Armstrong's reply to a Moon landing skeptic by blaser-waffle on Friday June 19, 2020 @11:30AM (#23575438)
How many people are standing up and saying it's a scientific truth? How many actually-qualified scientists are backing it up?

No one outside of the people shilling those oils, and the fools buying them, think they're real.

The fact that you can point to it as an example implies that most people know it's hokum.

Re:Neil Armstrong's reply to a Moon landing skeptic by wilt on Friday June 19, 2020 @03:28AM (#23571976)
It all depends how much you dilute them in water i guess :p
Re:Neil Armstrong's reply to a Moon landing skeptic by Falling3 on Friday June 19, 2020 @10:40AM (#23574975)
And I completely agree with all of that. That doesn't change the fact that "the government wouldn't defraud you" is a horrific argument. And that is one of his points.
Re:Neil Armstrong's reply to a Moon landing skeptic by iainmerrick on Friday June 19, 2020 @02:14PM (#23577293)
I think you need to point to the sentence where he says or even implies that. I can’t see it and neither can the other people responding here.

Three of us (when I last looked) pointed out, independently, that he has two main arguments, and “trust the government” isn’t one of them.

Re:Neil Armstrong's reply to a Moon landing skeptic by dyslexit on Friday June 19, 2020 @02:33AM (#23571636)
Armstrong's point isn't that the government would never try to defraud its citizens, and I think it's a stretch to mold his argument into that. His point is that it would be impossible to hold over 400,000 people to the same lie, without anyone breaking. Bush's WMD claims had plenty of people contradicting it at the time, and has been completely debunked now, unlike the moon landing that happened 50 years ago.
Re:Neil Armstrong's reply to a Moon landing skeptic by Rapzid on Friday June 19, 2020 @02:45AM (#23571718)
It was a weak man argument. Armstrong's paragraph was meant to be taken as a whole; but this argument just extracts one sentence and tries to establish a false equivalency with it.. And a scarecrow. Pretty impressive piece of drivel TBH.
Re:Neil Armstrong's reply to a Moon landing skeptic by koheripbal on Friday June 19, 2020 @08:43AM (#23573903)
No, that kind of is the point. The analogy doesn't work because the US put out all the evidence transparently - it was their conclusion that didn't make sense.

...so it's nothing at all like faking a moon landing.