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Re:Apple rejects appeal from email app Hey by ProAm on Thursday June 18, 2020 @05:30PM (#23568252)
That's fine, let me install software without going to the App store.
Re:Apple rejects appeal from email app Hey by epanchin on Thursday June 18, 2020 @05:38PM (#23568331)
If one is able to install software without going into the App Store, then one is also liable to be socially engineered into installing software from outside the App Store.

No thanks. Keep iPhones in their walled gardens where they are safe. Androids exist for experimentation.

Re:Apple rejects appeal from email app Hey by ProAm on Thursday June 18, 2020 @06:35PM (#23568904)
> No thanks. Keep iPhones in their walled gardens where they are safe. Androids exist for experimentation.

That's fine too, don't strong arm me out of 30% while letting others get away with no paying that. Some people want a walled garden (you) and dont mind paying for it, others would like to install software of their choosing without letting Apple know what they install and by who.

Re:Apple rejects appeal from email app Hey by epanchin on Friday June 19, 2020 @05:42AM (#23572790)
If there’s an option to opt out of the walled garden, people will be fooled into taking it. There is no way to differentiate between you, who wants to install what they wish, and those people that believe it is really Apple cold calling them.

Apple is not a monopoly, so I feel their attitude here is fair.

Re:Apple rejects appeal from email app Hey by chacha2 on Friday June 19, 2020 @12:49PM (#23576221)
Apple is based in a country that allows you to buy firearms in your local grocery store.
Re:Apple rejects appeal from email app Hey by pcwalton on Thursday June 18, 2020 @05:43PM (#23568389)
This IAP policy has nothing to do with security though.
Re:Apple rejects appeal from email app Hey by csunbird on Friday June 19, 2020 @06:17AM (#23572968)
There is. By only allowing purchases by in app purchases, Apple can force the app developers to be fair in their return/refund processes. There are tons of scummy companies and developers want to take money from the customer and not return it if the customer is unhappy or even when they are exercising their legal rights and hope the customers to not bother for their 1 to 5$ purchase.

Believe me, the rules do make sense.

Re:Apple rejects appeal from email app Hey by benologist on Thursday June 18, 2020 @05:47PM (#23568445)
And the many stores we can trust are more important than hypothetical abusers. Hypothetical abusers can be addressed in other ways, for instance Microsoft shuts down malicious servers and entities using lawyers and law enforcement.
Re:Apple rejects appeal from email app Hey by scarface74 on Thursday June 18, 2020 @06:45PM (#23568983)
Law enforcement will do a lot of good if the author isn’t in the US....
Re:Apple rejects appeal from email app Hey by gruez on Thursday June 18, 2020 @05:52PM (#23568508)
You've been able to do that for a while now. Without a paid developer account you can self-sign any app you want to run for 7 days. With a paid developer account you can install whatever private apps you want.
Re:Apple rejects appeal from email app Hey by ProAm on Thursday June 18, 2020 @06:36PM (#23568914)
So I have to pay Apple more to write software and install it on my own device that Ive paid for and own fully?
Re:Apple rejects appeal from email app Hey by zaroth on Thursday June 18, 2020 @05:34PM (#23568295)
Re:Apple rejects appeal from email app Hey by e_y_ on Thursday June 18, 2020 @05:59PM (#23568595)
The developer agreement states that you're only allowed to sideload apps that you're responsible for developing yourself. Maybe if it's open source you could make an argument for that being allowed, but it's not a general purpose install path for consumers.
Re:Apple rejects appeal from email app Hey by zaroth on Thursday June 18, 2020 @06:46PM (#23568987)
Technically true.

> “Application” means one or more software programs (including extensions, media, and Libraries that are enclosed in a single software bundle) developed by You in compliance with the Documentation and the Program Requirements, for distribution under Your own trademark or brand, and for specific use with an Apple-branded product running iOS, watchOS, tvOS, or macOS, as applicable, including bug fixes, updates, upgrades, modifications, enhancements, supplements to, revisions, new releases and new versions of such software programs.

> “Provisioning Profiles” means the files (including applicable entitlements or other identifiers) that are provided by Apple for use by You in connection with Your Application development and testing, and limited distribution of Your Applications for use on Registered Devices and/or on Authorized Test Units.

However in practice, for example, I use the Apple Developer Program with Cydia Impactor to build and install apps like Spike and xDrip on my kids iPhones (they are both T1D). It's basically point and click. [1]

[1] - https://spike-app.com/install-spike-using-cydia-impactor/