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Re:536 was ‘the worst year to be alive’ (2018) by Nasrudith on Thursday June 18, 2020 @04:55PM (#23567925)
I am not too certain of the logic of the arguement - namely because fossil fuels are actually pretty damn advanced in terms of "actual technology and societal infastructure to access and exploit them". We already went through this long ago with surface deposits of copper ore as well essentially millenia ago.

Effectively the time when it is useful is "when we don't have cheaper alternatives yet". We still should strive to make renewables and storage the cheaper option though.

To get really pedantic our 20th century understanding of power and energy are exactly backwards colloquially from what is really provided. Power is energy over time. The "power" infastructure was actually largely an energy infastructure with the exception of say hydro electric dams - you can only burn fuel once no matter how clever your ability to extract it. Meanwhile "renewable energy" provides power over its period of existence.

Re:536 was ‘the worst year to be alive’ (2018) by Retric on Thursday June 18, 2020 @05:54PM (#23568526)
There are a lot of surface level coal deposits right now that can be harvested with hand tools. It’s simply a question of efficiency, if a deposit is not vast nobody turns it into a mine.
Re:536 was ‘the worst year to be alive’ (2018) by vbezhenar on Friday June 19, 2020 @03:25AM (#23571967)
In case of apocalypsis, debris of our civilization will provide huge supplies of metals. Much cheaper to process than raw ore.

Coal is a different thing. That said, I think that it's not necessary to have very cheap coal and oil energy to have technological advances.

Re:536 was ‘the worst year to be alive’ (2018) by trevyn on Friday June 19, 2020 @12:15PM (#23575894)
Ahhh that’s why we haven’t met the aliens yet, they’re waiting for us to extract all the metals.
Re:536 was ‘the worst year to be alive’ (2018) by api on Thursday June 18, 2020 @10:08PM (#23570303)
Yet another possible Fermi paradox answer...
Re:536 was ‘the worst year to be alive’ (2018) by sizzle on Thursday June 18, 2020 @10:03PM (#23570275)
What are the consequences of fracking?
Re:536 was ‘the worst year to be alive’ (2018) by stx on Friday June 19, 2020 @12:42PM (#23576133)
Localized earthquakes are one. Also companies doing fracking actually have a legal exemption to the typical requirement to disclose the chemicals they pump into the ground. I believe they argue its a trade secret. I assume that if it was not really toxic they might disclose them.

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/04/facts-fracking-chemical-di...

Re:536 was ‘the worst year to be alive’ (2018) by rurban on Saturday June 20, 2020 @10:57PM (#23589385)
Poisoning the groundwater, besides the earthquakes now and then. But who needs clean water?
Re:536 was ‘the worst year to be alive’ (2018) by mark-r on Thursday June 18, 2020 @10:25PM (#23570399)
Good luck with those "renewable" solar farms when the next eruption happens.
Re:536 was ‘the worst year to be alive’ (2018) by madaxe_again on Friday June 19, 2020 @04:17AM (#23572273)
That’s why a broad basket is preferable to a monoculture of production.

Where I live is a perfect microcosm of this - in the summer, we get ample power from our solar array, but in the winter, when it can be dark and raining for weeks on end, it doesn’t come close - so I’m building out hydro and wind, as when it rains, a stream appears that we can harness, and the wind blows.

The same applies to renewables at grid scale - overdependence on a single source is absolutely risky, which is why most renewable energy efforts involve quite a bit of diversification.

Re:536 was ‘the worst year to be alive’ (2018) by ragebol on Friday June 19, 2020 @06:04AM (#23572903)
So use that while we can and leave the fossil fuels for when renewable are cut off from the sun. I wonder how much wind there would be under these circumstances though.
Re:536 was ‘the worst year to be alive’ (2018) by atoav on Friday June 19, 2020 @11:26AM (#23575413)
Which literally nobody serious promotes.

“It can't work if you do it that way" is a pretty bad argument if nobody actually does it that way. Maybe you are accidentally misrepresenting reality in order to support your world view here, but if not please go somewhere else, where facts don't matter.

As others mentioned: every nation that does renewables is looking into robust energy mixes and this (at least in industrial nations) includes catastrophic scenarios as well).

Re:536 was ‘the worst year to be alive’ (2018) by Dylan16807 on Friday June 19, 2020 @02:08AM (#23571495)
...wait a week then wash them off?
Re:536 was ‘the worst year to be alive’ (2018) by azinman2 on Friday June 19, 2020 @02:15AM (#23571534)
The article suggested 18 months of non-stop no sun.
Re:536 was ‘the worst year to be alive’ (2018) by jsjohnst on Friday June 19, 2020 @02:46AM (#23571724)
> The article suggested 18 months of non-stop no sun.

If there was no sun at all, do you think the temperatures would only drop 1-3° as mentioned in the article?

Re:536 was ‘the worst year to be alive’ (2018) by Dylan16807 on Friday June 19, 2020 @02:23AM (#23571573)
Less sun isn't no sun. Lots of trees just slowed down for the year.