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Re:Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account wi... by echelon on Thursday June 18, 2020 @05:19AM (#23561322)
If Apple doesn't back down, they should be broken up by the DOJ into a phone/hardware company and an iOS/Mac/Services company.

The same should happen to Google with search, Chrome, and Android. You can't use dozens of entire markets as your product moat.

Re:Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account wi... by 411111111111111 on Thursday June 18, 2020 @06:15AM (#23561647)
> The same should happen to Google with search, Chrome, and Android.

But... Why? Are you not an Android user maybe? Because it didn't make sense to me as an Android user. My default browser is set to Firefox with ublock origin installed. Search backend is still set to Google, but it's pretty easy to switch between providers. You're not forced into anything here

The real issue there is the deep coupling between Google services and Android, removing at least 70% of the phones utility if the phone isn't signed into a Google account.

The same applies to apple devices though, with the added issue that everything else is forced as well. While I'd be glad if Google opened up the services api, that's a very different issue to the one the original discussion was about.

Re:Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account wi... by bsaul on Thursday June 18, 2020 @05:25AM (#23561363)
i generally agree (and the same goes for amazon). But let's not mix everything, otherwise we'll get no result. I believe there is a real momentum at the moment on the "app store" issue, and we should focus 100% on that until we get some result (then we'll move to the next one).

I hope it's not going to be a talk about which commission rate is fair, because it completely misses the point. If apple wants to charge 30% commission for being able to distribute on the store, use their development tools, their apis, and have people pay using apple, fine. But just let my customers free to install my software on the hardware they own the way they want to.

Re:Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account wi... by puszczyk on Thursday June 18, 2020 @06:23AM (#23561685)
> let my customers .. install my software .. the way want to

I generally agree with the sentiment as a developer.

As I user I never want to side load an app though. I’m afraid this will e.g. allow my bank to develop a shitty app bypassing the permission model and ask / force me to install it. I prefer to know even “strong” entities need to play by the sandbox rules.

Re:Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account wi... by ryukafalz on Thursday June 18, 2020 @09:19AM (#23562797)
Just because you can sideload doesn’t mean apps can just be unconfined; if you sideload an Android app for example, it’s still restricted by the OS sandbox and still has to prompt you for access to contacts, location, etc.

And as an aside: you can sideload apps on Android. Have you seen any banks try to convince users to sideload their app? I sure haven’t.

Re:Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account wi... by StanislavPetrov on Thursday June 18, 2020 @06:15AM (#23561646)
Its not about commission rate, its about market share. We should be breaking up every corporation that gets anything close to 50% of market share if we are going to pretend that we live in a "free market" system.