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Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by lightgreen on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @09:23PM (#23546606)
It’s not Google’s money, it’s advertisers money. Advertisers do not want to pay for their ads on the websites with unacceptable content and trust Google to do the moderation. Because the advertisement may even have a negative effect for them when published on certain websites.

There are advertising networks (like those used on porn sites for an extreme example) which have weaker rules, but the websites get smaller profits.

Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by zaroth on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @12:09AM (#23547676)
Google is banning even advertisers which want to be on ZeroHedge from using their [dominant] platform to place those ads.

I’m not sure if you’re suggesting that Google’s platform doesn’t provide advertisers the ability to mark specific domains which they do not want their ads to be shown on?

I believe this feature is readily available under the Placements > Exclusions page.

Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by lightgreen on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @12:31AM (#23547806)
I guess advertisers do not want to manually maintain thousands of exclusion domains.

If an advertiser did not explicitly excluded a certain domain, it doesn’t mean an advertiser wants to place ads on that domain.

Sorry for using this analogy again, if Google banned some porn site, but an advertiser did not add that porn site to the exclusion list, likely it still means that advertiser agrees with Google moderation and don’t want to be advertised on that porn site.

Google ads has a policy for ads and for hosters (which prohibits hatred, for example), both advertisers and hosters agreed with it when they joined the Google’s service.

One might disagree with the fact that such policy exists in Google, but that’s topic for another discussion.

Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by koheripbal on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @05:55AM (#23549645)
Seems like Google could just maintain a list for advertisers then.

I think it's naive to think that they are purely doing this to protect Advertisers' convenience.

Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by lightgreen on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @02:24PM (#23554840)
> Seems like Google could just maintain a list for advertisers then.

Maybe it could. I believe the market of advertising on marginal websites is small, and it's not worth the trouble for Google to try to work on that market: the number of users of these websites is small, and the number of advertisers wanting to advertise on questionable websites is also small.

> I think it's naive to think that they are purely doing this to protect Advertisers' convenience.

It's not just convenience. When advertisers are unhappy, Google loses a lot of money, because ads make the most of Google revenue.

If you have reasons to believe otherwise, please explain.

Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by zaroth on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @03:03PM (#23555352)
According to SimilarWeb (reliable numbers? I'm not sure) ZH is ranked #300 in News & Media as has "Total Visits" of 36 million, compared to for example Bloomberg.com which is ranked 85th and has "Total Visits" of 82 million.
Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by lightgreen on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @09:29PM (#23558837)
If Google created a separate list for questionable websites and allowed advertisers to opt-in that list, my back of the envelope calculations are:

* all these websites account for at most 1% of Google Ads network reach by the number of page views

* since these websites are to be opt-in, the advertisers' competition will be much lower, probably 1/10 of the usual click price

* since the number of advertisers will be low, and only marginal advertisers would opt-in the marginal website list, the relevance of ads (and thus the probability of a click) will be also much much lower, probably 1/10 of the usual click rate

So by banning all marginal websites Google loses only 0.01% of revenue from ads network. If my back of the envelope calculations is at least order of magnitude correct, this does look like a very little price to pay for relief from a headache associated with working with questionable websites.

Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by koheripbal on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @05:54AM (#23549638)
> the advertisement may even have a negative effect for them when published on certain websites.

I've heard this a lot... but does this really cause them problems?

Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by lightgreen on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @02:31PM (#23554926)
Them, Google or advertisers?

Advertisers are afraid of being mentioned in some viral tweet like: "Coca-cola is advertising on the website next to a comment suggesting to kill all black people. They are racist! Let's boycott Coca-cola!"

And Google has a reputation to maintain: they protect advertisers from situations like described above.

Maybe it is not a real problem for advertisers, to be advertised on the wrong website, I don't know. But I understand they don't want to have that risk for virtually no profit.

Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by StanislavPetrov on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @10:35PM (#23547092)
>Advertisers do not want to pay for their ads on the websites with unacceptable content and trust Google to do the moderation.

Are advertisers really choosing to "trust google to do the moderation" or is the reality that Google is a virtual monopoly and advertisers don't have much of a choice?

Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by lightgreen on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @10:49PM (#23547176)
Google is not a monopoly in ads networks, it has less than a half of ads networks market share.
Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by Mirioron on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @10:13PM (#23546958)
This is one of those situations where regulation of some sorts could help the business being regulated. If the government decreed that they're not allowed to pick and choose based on the content then the ad buyers couldn't do anything. It's unlikely this would ever happen though.
Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by lightgreen on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @10:21PM (#23547009)
These regulations would greatly harm the ads industry: Google will be forced to place their ads on trash websites.

AFAIU Google is not yet the monopoly among the ad networks (it holds less than a half), so it’s too early to regulate.