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Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by secondcoming on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @08:27PM (#23546167)
Zerohedge was clearly getting money from Russian propaganda sources, especially during the invasion of Ukraine and the nerve agent attacks in the UK, it had a hard-on for Putin.

It attracts all sorts of nutters, the comments are 100% cancer... just don't even bother. I'm not surprised Google kicked them off.

It does occassionally have quite good articles related to actual financial issues though. You just have to wade through a lot of crap first. Jack Dorsey himself follows it on twatter.

Edit: it used regularly regurgitate articles from this crowd: https://www.strategic-culture.org

Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by downerending on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @10:19PM (#23546997)
Traders love it, and traders are rich. They don't need Russian money.
Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by rayiner on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @09:18PM (#23546573)
We have 3,500 schools literally incorporating Marxist propaganda into their curriculums,[1] and we’re worried about some news sites receiving money from Russia?

[1] https://www.city-journal.org/1619-project-conspiracy-theory

Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by aaaxyz on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @09:39PM (#23546732)
I'm no propaganda expert but I think you're comparing apples (teaching about an ideology that a German living in Russia came up with a century ago) to oranges (receiving money from the current Russian state to push the stories they provide you)
Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by rayiner on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @09:43PM (#23546764)
They’re not teaching “about Marxism.” They’re repeating lies that Marx came up with to explain away the undeniable prosperity of western capitalist countries. That should concern everyone a lot more than some fake news articles funded by Russia.
Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by mercer on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @09:51PM (#23546816)
What lies? I'm definitely biased but I've come to respect your comments and would honestly like to hear (or be directed to) more about this whole 1619-project and its veracity.
Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by eadmund on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @10:07PM (#23546926)
Here's an article from one of the project's own fact checkers: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/06/1619-proje...

And here is a letter signed by numerous historians, the NYT response and a counter-response: https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/174140

Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by nyolfen on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @10:06PM (#23546919)
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/12/historians...

> The letter refers to “matters of verifiable fact” that “cannot be described as interpretation or ‘framing’” and says the project reflected “a displacement of historical understanding by ideology.” Wilentz and his fellow signatories didn’t just dispute the Times Magazine’s interpretation of past events, but demanded corrections.

Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by rayiner on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @10:49PM (#23547171)
I think the 1619 project makes some really important points, so please don’t misconstrue this as a broadside attack on the publication. But the article on capitalism was a hit piece motivated mainly by the author’s (a guy named Ed Baptist) own political views: https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-1619-project-tells-a-false-....

The article tries to stain American capitalism by claiming that it originated in plantation slavery and provided the capital that made America rich. The article rests on a superficial and fallacious parallelism that tries to equate slave owners lashing slaves to work harder with capitalists pursing ever increasing efficiency. And the author, being a sociologist and not an economist, commits massive math errors, overstating the economic significance of slavery by a magnitude: https://www.thecollegefix.com/cornell-scholar-cited-in-nyts-... https://www.aier.org/article/the-statistical-errors-of-the-r...

> Coates’s numbers come from Cornell University historian Ed Baptist’s 2014 book The Half Has Never Been Told. In a key passage in the book, Baptist purports to add up the total value of economic activity that derived from cotton production, which at $77 million made up about 5 percent of the estimated gross domestic product (GDP) of the United States in 1836. Baptist then committed a fundamental accounting error. He proceeded to double and even triple count intermediate transactions involved in cotton production — things like land purchases for plantations, tools used for cotton production, transportation, insurance, and credit instruments used in each. Eventually that $77 million became $600 million in Baptist’s accounting, or almost half of the entire antebellum economy of the United States.

See also: https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/08/1619-project-new-york...

In fact, slavery kept the south poor (as economic theory would predict—you can’t make a society richer by enslaving labor; that makes the society poorer even if it enriches a minority of slave owners). Productivity and ultimately industrialization took off dramatically in the south after slavery was ended: https://www.econlib.org/archives/2014/09/ending_slavery.html

Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by zaroth on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @12:21AM (#23547750)
This seems to dovetail with a growing ideology that American exceptionalism is a lie, that American history is a stain, and that America itself is racist. I’m not sure if it begins or end with the burning of books and tearing down of historical statues (Confederates and Abolitionists alike).

I guess it’s true that history is written by the victors. I guess it’s not so clear who the victors were and if they will remain so.

It’s strange for me, having been brought up on American idealism, and the power of freedom (of speech), democracy, that whole Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness thing.

This civil-warish thing has seemed to have escalated quite dramatically however quite recently and it’s hard not to see TFA within that context based on anti-BLM articles that ZH has been publishing.

Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by barry-cotter on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @01:01AM (#23547987)
> I guess it’s true that history is written by the victors. I guess it’s not so clear who the victors were and if they will remain so.

History is written by whoever actually writes it. Thus for a century after the US Civil War a view extremely kind to the South, and Sima Qian, who lost at politics so comprehensively he was castrated is where we get most of our knowledge of the Emperor who ordered the deed done.

http://scholars-stage.blogspot.com/2016/11/history-is-writte...

> Thucydides’ obsession with Brasidas is easy to understand once his personal relation to Thucydides is made clear. His portrayal of Brasidas as daring, brilliant, charismatic, and clever beyond measure also begins to make sense—the greater Brasidas' past feats appear, the less damning Thucydides defeat at his hands becomes.

> Thucydides treatment of Brasidas is hardly unique. You can play this game with many other aspects of Thucydides’ History, from his attitude towards Athenian democracy (which voted for his exile) to his unflattering portrayal of Cleon (who replaced him). Thucydides lost battles with them all. The History of the Peloponnesian War was written by a loser.

Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by perl4ever on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @10:40PM (#23547124)
You know who wrote a book about Marxism? Thomas Sowell, that's who. I always wondered what ate his brain later on.
Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by mike_ivanov on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @11:45PM (#23547522)
"a German living in Russia"

I'm afraid you've lost a "P" there. Prussia, not Russia. Different places.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Prussia

Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by vl on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @03:41AM (#23548868)
FYI, Karl Marx never livid in Russia (he preferred London) and was dead a century ago.
Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by RachelF on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @08:48PM (#23546330)
It doesn't matter whether it is crap or not, whether it is true or BS, whether we like their opinion or not; Google should not be in the business of censoring sites, given its monopoly on advertising.
Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by rajup on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @08:54PM (#23546391)
I'm sorry but this censoring argument is getting more and more detached from reality. So now not letting ads run on a website (mind you the advertisers themselves have strong opinions on where they want their ads to run) is censoring?
Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by joefkelley on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @09:00PM (#23546427)
I'm with you 100%. I thought censorship meant "not allowing you to speak". I guess now it means "not actively helping you profit from your speech".
Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by non-entity on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @09:33PM (#23546693)
According to much of HN, any moderation is censorship.
Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by SamReidHughes on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @02:11AM (#23548313)
When you have monopolistic power it is.
Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by plerpin on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @08:55PM (#23546400)
Advertisers have always chosen where they want their ads to be seen, and what types of content they don't want to be associated with. That's censorship, now?
Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by s1artibartfast on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @10:31PM (#23547066)
I just interpret censorship in this context to be equivalent of forbid or ban. It saves a lot of fighting over definitions.

In that light, it is not the advertisers making the decision in this case. It is google refusing to place add for advertisers who presumably want to advertise on zerohedge.

Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by TrainedMonkey on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @09:00PM (#23546430)
I see this argument repeated many times, X is bad so we must never do X. Any company that does X is bad no matter what. This completely ignores the other side of the story. What is the consequence of not doing X? Censorship is incredibly dangerous tool, but that does not mean it must never be used. At some point the cost of inaction is too high. In this case not taking action could be construed as Google enabling systemic racism.

Of course the above is simplistic. For one I don't know if alternative action existed that would not set a precedent of censorship.

Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by secondcoming on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @09:02PM (#23546444)
How has it censored anything? Zerohedge still exists. Google isn't the only ad exchange out there.
Re:Google bans ZeroHedge and The Federalist from its ad plat... by Barrin92 on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @09:18PM (#23546561)
Google is free to be in the business of whatever it wants. It's absolutely ridiculous to suggest Google should be obligated to participate in any business contract. Google can sell adspace or refuse to sell it to whomever they want or don't want.

It's really astonishing how much of a facade the commitment to free enterprise on the political right was now that some conspiracy websites get the treatment they deserve