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Re:Basics of Pneumatic Logic by quickthrowman on Monday June 15, 2020 @10:24PM (#23535374)
There are still pneumatic controls operating HVAC equipment all over the place. A lot of it is being replaced with electronic temperature controls as the service life of the existing HVAC equipment comes to an end and it gets replaced. Facilities are now looking to interface HVAC temperature controls in with wider building automation systems.

The only context I see pneumatic controls in is a system to be demolished and replaced, so it’s neat to see how they work and how they’re functionally equivalent to electronic logic gates.

Re:Basics of Pneumatic Logic by userbinator on Monday June 15, 2020 @11:10PM (#23535576)
That's sad to hear, because the original controls would probably outlast the new electronic stuff with only a bit of regular maintenance.
Re:Basics of Pneumatic Logic by meditative on Monday June 15, 2020 @11:20PM (#23535641)
There's no remote monitoring, they're more complex and expensive. You need either multiple compressors, or run long stretches of hose/pipe.

They're super cool and rewarding to work with, everything feels like steam punk, but there's no real practical reason to keep them there. The electronic stuff is _very_ reliable when installed correctly and quality parts are used, much like the pneumatic systems.

The only place that _might_ make sense to leave them in a little longer is inside a hazardous environment, which requires detailed certification for installed electrical equipment.

Re:Basics of Pneumatic Logic by ganzuul on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @01:34AM (#23536215)
Since a bad solar flare could mess up our electronic stuff we should at least keep the equipment we need to rebuild society not sensitive to EMP.
Re:Basics of Pneumatic Logic by danielheath on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @04:04AM (#23536913)
Still easier to shield existing digital gear for EMP. Compared to the cost when one inevitably does hit the shielding is dirt cheap.
Re:Basics of Pneumatic Logic by ganzuul on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @05:15AM (#23537244)
You should test that shielding though, and AFAIK the dangerous voltage enters equipment through cables. Unless everything is fiber optics you would need some chonky optocouplers on all signal paths.

Pneumatic air is usually supplied with plastic tube and hose. There are no unexpected electrical circuits coupling to unrelated equipment.

Re:Basics of Pneumatic Logic by meditative on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @07:57AM (#23538088)
it will no doubt damage a lot of equipment, it's still cheaper to replace everything than to have incompatible spare pneumatic gear laying around.
Re:Basics of Pneumatic Logic by ganzuul on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @09:31AM (#23538923)
I think the problem is one of bootstrapping. With PLCs controlling even sewage pumps society will have a lot of more important things to do before we come around to fixing elevators, automatic doors, or even chip fabs. Then there are herds of forgotten VAXen and AS400s that have been chugging along for decades running who knows what mission critical code, all gone without as much as specs remaining.

The less basic infrastructure which is wiped out the faster we can rebuild. Right now it looks like we will be falling back to whatever cam-actuated automatic lathes which have not been sold below scrap value that are left. And I hear those things are a bitch to set up.

Re:Basics of Pneumatic Logic by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @12:22AM (#23535918)
I don’t know. Pneumatics involve a lot more friction than a digital system would. That regular maintenance would probably involve replacing things as they were worn down.
Re:Basics of Pneumatic Logic by ganzuul on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @01:41AM (#23536247)
The equipment I'm working with seems fine for a few million cycles and a couple of decades of use.

They are also less sensitive to heat than electrolytic capacitors.