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Re:Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century,... by rootusrootus on Friday June 12, 2020 @03:21PM (#23502653)
I think you answered your own question.

If not, go visit a forum for incels and see how happy they are.

Re:Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century,... by krapp on Friday June 12, 2020 @03:30PM (#23502759)
>If not, go visit a forum for incels and see how happy they are.

Incels are a cult of hateful, misogynistic extremists who consider mass murderers like Eliot Rodger to be heroes. Simply not having as much sex as one would prefer, or any at all, does not make one an incel.

Re:Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century,... by tootahe45 on Friday June 12, 2020 @03:32PM (#23502800)
> Simply not having as much sex as one would prefer, or any at all, does not make one an incel.

It literally does though. You can't change definitions because someone gave the name a bad rep.

Re:Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century,... by krapp on Friday June 12, 2020 @03:44PM (#23502962)
"Someone" didn't give the name a bad rep, and I'm not the one changing its definition. The entire incel movement changed the definition by giving itself a bad rep.

If you want to take 'incel' back and try to reclaim its neutrality and separate it from the toxicity of the culture, you'll have as much luck as someone trying to claim the alt-right movement isn't really about racism, even though racists have been all over it since the beginning.

Re:Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century,... by ravenstine on Friday June 12, 2020 @04:07PM (#23503277)
"Incel" isn't a movement.
Re:Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century,... by klmadfejno on Friday June 12, 2020 @03:46PM (#23502998)
Maybe you can use context to differentiate two different meanings of the same word though
Re:Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century,... by vzidex on Friday June 12, 2020 @03:24PM (#23502691)
At the same time, people definitely can be happy without sex - various religious factions have been doing it for ages with vows of celibacy, and today there's a non-negligible "volcel" (voluntarily celibate) movement.
Re:Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century,... by TallGuyShort on Friday June 12, 2020 @03:27PM (#23502728)
It can be done and result in happy people. It can also turn out that years later you have decades of sexual abuse victims coming forward years later.
Re:Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century,... by luckylion on Friday June 12, 2020 @04:25PM (#23503514)
> At the same time, people definitely can be happy without sex

Yeah, but that's really like saying "but people can be happy while they are fasting" to somebody that is being starved.

Something being voluntary often makes the difference between it being considered harmful or even torture and a weird thing.

Re:Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century,... by thelean12 on Friday June 12, 2020 @03:32PM (#23502790)
But this isn't useful to this discussion.

In aggregate, less sex may be a bad thing. In aggregate, more sex may be a good thing. That's what's being discussed.

Individuals and anecdotes just distract from the discussion.

Re:Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century,... by foepys on Friday June 12, 2020 @03:28PM (#23502735)
I have never heard about vocel. Only about Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW), which, at least on reddit, were a women hating incel community.
Re:Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century,... by watwut on Friday June 12, 2020 @03:40PM (#23502909)
Incels are not representation of guys without sex in general. They are people who are angry and hateful.

Dating any of these would be profoundly bad idea. It is better for a woman to be alone then to be with someone who has opinions of incel.

Re:Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century,... by azinman2 on Friday June 12, 2020 @03:35PM (#23502830)
Something tells me that a lot of these guys would be angry and unhappy even if they were in a relationship.