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Re:GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master” by floatingatoll on Friday June 12, 2020 @12:28PM (#23500839)
A small symbolic thing is still worth doing, even if it doesn't directly improve the lives of people.
Re:GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master” by thinkingemote on Friday June 12, 2020 @01:09PM (#23501343)
This doesn't even indirectly improve things.

What it does do is make a few people feel better because they are misinformed and so other things like education would be a better solution, something like "there's no need to feel bad about this word, and here's the logic about why."

Re:GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master” by protomyth on Friday June 12, 2020 @12:46PM (#23501042)
No, no it isn't. If it doesn't actually help improve lives, its just an indulgence.
Re:GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master” by _never_k on Friday June 12, 2020 @02:23PM (#23502118)
Props to you for committing to your austerity, but we're not all monks in cells.
Re:GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master” by protomyth on Friday June 12, 2020 @02:37PM (#23502266)
Austerity? Monks in cells? Really, none of that makes any sense?

Hell, switching your Amazon account to one of those smile accounts will do more good than signalling.

Re:GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master” by _never_k on Friday June 12, 2020 @02:55PM (#23502442)
>Austerity? Monks in cells?

You're complaining about indulgence! You're saying that this change won't help people as much as something else. This is a fair criticism. Changing some technical term is probably not a optimally utilitarian use of resources.

However, while you may be trying to live an optimally utilitarian life, the rest of us aren't. I can only speak for myself of course, but evaluating all my life's actions on only that axis is too strict for me.

But, like I said, if you want to do that: props.

Re:GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master” by protomyth on Friday June 12, 2020 @03:11PM (#23502559)
No, I'm saying that it won't help people at all. Its an indulgence to make the person doing feel like they are doing something. It will not materially improve lives.

It would be fine if it just made them feel good, but it substitutes for efforts that would help. Its a personal indulgence taking energy from a system when more is needed. It also is a distraction from actual issues. Nothing is often better than something.

> However, while you may be trying to live an optimally utilitarian life, the rest of us aren't. I can only speak for myself of course, but evaluating all my life's actions on only that axis is too strict for me.

Yeah, this is wordplay that has nothing to do with me.

Re:GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master” by _never_k on Friday June 12, 2020 @03:23PM (#23502688)
You keep complaining about indulging! What's wrong with indulging in something every once in while?
Re:GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master” by protomyth on Friday June 12, 2020 @03:31PM (#23502781)
If your indulging hurts others, then it is something worth complaining about.
Re:GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master” by _never_k on Friday June 12, 2020 @04:10PM (#23503331)
I don't exactly understand how you're hurt by this, but fair enough.

Utilitarianism is a philosophical framework. It's not for me, but based on your comments you might be into it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism

Re:GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master” by protomyth on Friday June 12, 2020 @04:52PM (#23503776)
I am not.
Re:GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master” by floatingatoll on Friday June 12, 2020 @04:28PM (#23503544)
I see no supporting argument for “replacing master with main at GitHub hurts others”; is it somewhere in this thread and I wasn’t able to see it unassisted? If not, we would benefit from you typing it up.
Re:GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master” by protomyth on Friday June 12, 2020 @04:53PM (#23503789)
go to the top of this thread chain
Re:GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master” by floatingatoll on Friday June 12, 2020 @06:39PM (#23504611)
I reviewed your initial post https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23500764 and I was unable to parse out of your objections why you think that this change hurts others. Could you summarize?
Re:GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master” by protomyth on Friday June 12, 2020 @08:56PM (#23505643)
Ok, here is my objection. I'm saying that it won't help people at all. It is an indulgence to make Microsoft feel like they are doing something positive when it will not materially improve lives.

It would be fine if it just made them feel good as people's mental health is an important thing that too many ignore. But, this will suck attention away from people who are actually doing things that will help people. The world has only so much time to pay attention, and that time is valuable. Microsoft is just adding to the noise.

They are bringing homemade cupcakes to a food bank and making the national news.

Re:GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master” by username90 on Friday June 12, 2020 @08:30PM (#23505448)
Inconsistent naming standards hurts everyone. Now some repositories will have master branches while others will have them named something else, it makes things harder to work with. If every developer spends just a minute wondering where the main branch is before realizing the new naming standards, that is still a lifetimes worth of time lost due to this change.
Re:GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master” by xellisx on Sunday June 14, 2020 @03:26PM (#23520562)
And if you look at that it analogy of a tree, what is a "Master branch". Also what is a "Main branch". It's trunk. Of course then it would be called "The trunk branch", which sounds silly too me, and trunk has a couple sexual slangs tied to it. I read on person naming theirs 'prd', 'uat', and 'dev'. Less typing and describes what the branch is for.
Re:GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master” by humanrebar on Monday June 15, 2020 @10:09AM (#23527469)
While we're being pedantic, it's a graph, not a tree.
Re:GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master” by xellisx on Monday June 15, 2020 @10:10PM (#23535293)
So bar, line, pie, scatter, etc. would be good names. Hehe.