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Re:New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize”... by JoeAltmaier on Friday June 12, 2020 @09:43AM (#23499142)
Not just unions though. The IT department in a company I worked for had similar slow processes. I needed more RAM in my desktop, to process really huge log files. "It'll take about a month".

I could have gone to Best Buy, bought what I needed, installed it, and been back at work in an hour. Sigh. So I limped along.

A month later, along comes the new RAM and gets installed. But I was long done with the project that needed it.

Anyway, no fan of unions that get their feelers into every crack, in an attempt to pad union jobs. I am definitely in favor of some feedback that helps them be useful and productive - time-to-response on tickets for instance, that affected their pay maybe. Then we might all be happier.

Re:New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize”... by toomuchtodo on Friday June 12, 2020 @09:55AM (#23499254)
This happens in non-union jobs. Your issue is not with unions, but with bureaucracy, which is fair. To blame unions is not.
Re:New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize”... by JoeAltmaier on Friday June 12, 2020 @10:03AM (#23499316)
We can blame unions for bringing it to a fine art. Their goals are to preserve jobs and pad pay. That directly results in nonsense like this - 7 days to prepare for a meeting or plug in a monitor etc.

<edit> Sure unions are not the only ones doing this. But unions are doing this. So its 'fair' to blame them.</edit>

Re:New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize”... by toomuchtodo on Friday June 12, 2020 @10:09AM (#23499364)
Can't argue with someone who has an axe to grind.

EDIT: Non-union shops are just as culpable in the deficiencies you describe (creating and defending bureaucracies from innovation or creative destruction), which is why your pejorative opinion of unions poisons the ability to have a legitimate conversation regarding their benefits to workers (who have very little power against corporations). Unions have challenges, but all organizations of people have challenges.

Re:New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize”... by JoeAltmaier on Friday June 12, 2020 @10:25AM (#23499522)
Doesn't. I can discuss unions objectively. Just not gonna pretend they can do no wrong. In fact, that's the entire discussion right there -how to preserve the benefits without making dysfunctional organizations.

It'd be fair to say, its union supporters that can't have a meaningful discussion. Because they have a chip on their shoulders. So discussing the negative is instantly off the table.

Anyway, I've worked my whole career free of that particular brand of dysfunctional organization. Worked with guys who were part of them, including one 'enforcer' who's whole job was to threaten other employees into line on critical votes. How's that for dysfunctional?

Re:New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize”... by Apocryphon on Friday June 12, 2020 @02:20PM (#23502093)
Anti-union critics tend to have as much of a chip of their shoulders as well. There's no shortage of example comments where people are tossing around FUD and anecdata in an attempt to paint all unions as bad. If you're going to make presumptions as to sentiment, then it's only fair for your own side to be held to the same standard.
Re:New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize”... by missedthecue on Friday June 12, 2020 @12:59PM (#23501215)
But there is a direct correlation with unions and an increase in bureaucracy.
Re:New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize”... by koheripbal on Friday June 12, 2020 @09:54AM (#23499249)
Right... that's the point... these processes are terrible. Unions create even more of these situations.

Imagine you did get your RAM in time, or could have bought it and expensed it. ...then you had to raise ANOTHER 2 week ticket to have it installed in your computer.