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Re:New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize”... by beowulfey on Friday June 12, 2020 @07:01AM (#23498012)
Why do you trust corporation-backed power (small amount of people in charge) versus union-backed power (power distributed across many people)?

I find it fascinating, particularly in a country like America where democracy is a core part of our being.

Unions allow people to vote on their own preferences, then use their collective voice to negotiate. If you don’t like some bullshit union practice, then that is the fault of the people in it not the unions themselves.

Re:New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize”... by sushshshsh on Friday June 12, 2020 @07:07AM (#23498046)
Ask any nurse, plumber, or teacher in the United States if they really feel they have the power to replace union reps that are perpetuating such practices.

Power perpetuates power

Re:New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize”... by cool_dude85 on Friday June 12, 2020 @07:08AM (#23498057)
Now ask any engineer in the US if they have the power to replace management that perpetuates bad practices.
Re:New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize”... by shaftoe on Friday June 12, 2020 @08:03AM (#23498366)
They do. It's called finding another job.
Re:New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize”... by wizzwizz4 on Friday June 12, 2020 @08:13AM (#23498432)
Birling: […] So I refused. Said I couldn't consider it. We were paying the usual rates and if they didn't like those rates, they could go and work somewhere else. It's a free country, I told them.

Eric: It isn't if you can't go and work somewhere else.

— J. B. Priestley

Not everyone is in a position to find another job. And what do you do if the best place you can work is still rubbish? What if you're an ISP tech?

Re:New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize”... by mushbino on Saturday June 13, 2020 @01:55PM (#23511241)
An ISP tech? Just learn to code and then bounce from job to job to job until you find one with a good manager.

Okay, sarcasm aside; I've worked for many different tech companies and good managers are exceptionally rare and there is no pressure from the top to change that, and pressure from the bottom doesn't work. There is, however, a lot of pressure to not fire or demote managers as it looks bad for the management above them.

Re:New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize”... by mmm_grayons on Friday June 12, 2020 @08:38PM (#23505504)
One is not forced to spend his life working as an ISP tech. I attended a community college for a few years where most people were learning new skills precisely because they didn't like the job or often the industry in which they worked. If ISP tech work was horrible and everyone left, employers would be forced to make it less horrible.
Re:New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize”... by cool_dude85 on Friday June 12, 2020 @08:14AM (#23498436)
Well, you were able to solve the problem of bad union reps at the same time. Two birds with one stone, good job.
Re:New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize”... by take_a_breath on Friday June 12, 2020 @08:18AM (#23498468)
People in unions can’t find other jobs?
Re:New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize”... by lukebitts on Friday June 12, 2020 @08:39AM (#23498601)
They can’t find other unions
Re:New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize”... by take_a_breath on Friday June 12, 2020 @08:46AM (#23498657)
There is more than one union. You can also vote/organize to change your existing union (I can’t do that at my job).
Re:New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize”... by mmm_grayons on Friday June 12, 2020 @08:40PM (#23505517)
Okay, so I get my one vote and now have to go spend time convincing others of something if I wish to change how I live my life. Even if there's less of a "safety guarantee", I'd prefer to take the risk of managing my own situation, something often thwarted by closed-shop unions.
Re:New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize”... by Nasrudith on Friday June 12, 2020 @02:11PM (#23501980)
Specifically union power tends to be rather exclusive - competition or fragmentation over a shared niche harms them far more than even individuals or businesses. The dynamic is thus "anti-competitive" by design.
Re:New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize”... by adamsea on Friday June 12, 2020 @09:46AM (#23499168)
True! So, better governing systems for a union, no?

You can’t get rid of power, just redistribute it. As flawed as democracy is, that’s what it attempts to do.

Or do we want to get rid of governments? ;)

In that case I’ll happily make the same snarky comment about whatever collection of humans accrue and then abuse power in our new government-free society.

People are naturally social. There will always be power, wielded in one way or another. But we have and will figure out schemes to wield it in a to benefit the many more than the few.