Re:Pharaoh Ramesses VI Tomb
by caiobegotti on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @11:47AM
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It's truly impressive and jaw dropping but what's maddening to me is that what you see in there is exactly how it is in real life, i.e. the walkways are just like that and people can actually reach out and touch the walls. At least based on my visits to Luxor, very few tombs have acrylic/glass wall protections to prevent it but it's ridiculously common to see tourists in some of the tombs doing that, it's sad and revolting as hell despite such great beauty hypnotizing you.
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Re:Pharaoh Ramesses VI Tomb
by cmdshiftf4 on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @11:59AM
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>At least based on my visits to Luxor, very few tombs have acrylic/glass wall protections to prevent it but it's ridiculously common to see tourists in some of the tombs doing that
I understand the sentiment, however I'm personally not in favour of modelling everything in society to account for the lowest common denominator and sterilizing everything in sight in response.
The issues you mention are nothing that couldn't be solved by advertising hefty fines and enforcing them.
Re:Pharaoh Ramesses VI Tomb
by throwaway_pdp09 on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @12:55PM
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You're still proposing to deal with the lowest common denominator, only in a different way.
Re:Pharaoh Ramesses VI Tomb
by cmdshiftf4 on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @07:28PM
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Indeed. A more direct, active way with the goal of not impacting those who abide by the rules.
Re:Pharaoh Ramesses VI Tomb
by throwaway_pdp09 on Wednesday June 10, 2020 @04:01AM
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Without saying which way is better, your claiming that fines are more 'direct' than putting physical barriers in the way is blatantly not true, barriers being the ultimate direct prevention.
Re:Pharaoh Ramesses VI Tomb
by cmdshiftf4 on Wednesday June 10, 2020 @08:42PM
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I'm talking about direct retribution over prevention i.e. people visiting the sites without touching anything aren't directly impacted by those who do touch, however they're directly impacted by putting up glossy glass over those same sites.
Those visiting the sites who do touch that which they're told not to face direct retribution and serve as a warning to others not to do the same.
> hefty fines and enforcing
I am not sure if that's the right approach - that would be like deciding to punish animals in a zoo for crossing a line instead of having physical barriers installed.
er, humans have agency to follow instruction easily in a way that animals do not.
Hmm, if it's just rules/fines, the chances are 0% that no one touches the thing, because it seems like guaranteed that an idiot will one day walk in there and touch something they're not meant to touch.
So if you want to preserve it, probably barriers/distance is the only good enough protection.
Putting any of this on display, barriers or no, means you're slowly destroying it. If preservation were the primary aim, nobody would be allowed inside except epigraphers and photographers. Want to see these monuments? Look at the photographs, drawings, and models like this.
They have, but a lot of people can't be arsed.
You'd be surprised how many "closed to tourists" tombs you can get into with a local guide and a few notes changing hands as well (or it was easy 15+ years ago).
Was there last year.. most tour/tomb guards expected to be tipped and the more you wanted to take pictures (technically not allowed in most places) the more you tipped.
Re:Pharaoh Ramesses VI Tomb
by caiobegotti on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @11:52AM
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I'm afraid it's still that easy these days.