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Re:The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients by jjoonathan on Monday June 08, 2020 @09:49AM (#23456445)
Sony dropped playstation support for my 4K monitor in an irreversible software update, forcing me to buy a smart TV :/

Also: the new smart TV bootloops if it can't connect to the internet for more than a couple weeks at a time (it wants to refresh its screensaver ads).

You can run, but you can't hide.

Re:The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients by TallGuyShort on Monday June 08, 2020 @10:34AM (#23456812)
I like Amazon's model for this on the Kindle: Kindles are subsidized by ads, so you can buy what is effectively a REALLY cheap tablet from a well-known company if that's most important to you. OR, if you prefer, you can go pay a one-time fee an eliminate ads from the OS.
Re:The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients by jjoonathan on Monday June 08, 2020 @11:29AM (#23457355)
Yeah, I would be less upset about the ad situation if they had made it clear up front and given me a choice like Amazon does with the Kindle.

That said, when companies price the ad-free premium at 1000x the expected ad revenue, it gets aggravating again.

Re:The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients by gindely on Monday June 08, 2020 @11:50AM (#23457633)
What's the advantage of this? Surely they're better off pricing it at 2x the expected ad revenue, since then they can expect to get twice as much now as they otherwise would get eventually? Indeed, even if it were 1.01x the expected ad revenue they've won with this upsell.
Re:The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients by jjoonathan on Monday June 08, 2020 @11:53AM (#23457677)
A willingness to pay signals that you A. have money and B. care about quality, which makes you a ripe target for price discrimination, which is why "ad-free" premiums often exceed the ad revenue by an enormous factor.
Re:The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients by plorkyeran on Monday June 08, 2020 @01:37PM (#23458693)
Charging 1.01x the expected ad revenue wouldn't cover the cost of implementing the no-ad option. Even 2x might be in break-even territory when you include extra support costs and the like (one person on the phone because they bought no-ads and got ads due to a mishap somewhere wipes out the profit from a lot of no-ad sales).

There's also the funny issue where people who can afford to pay extra for the no-ads option are exactly the people that advertisers want to show ads to. If the no-ads option is $5, then you're left selling ads with a target market of people who can't afford or don't want to spend $5, and that ends up driving down your ad revenue. A large gap between the expected ad revenue and the price of the no-ad option helps mitigate this effect.

Re:The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients by nitrogen on Monday June 08, 2020 @02:20PM (#23459187)
Isn't this advertising pricing paradox proof of the exploitative nature of advertising?
Re:The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients by daemin on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @06:07AM (#23465255)
Pretty much. In Australia Pay TV has more ads in it per hour than free to air TV.
Re:The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients by stormdennis on Monday June 08, 2020 @10:59AM (#23457050)
Or you can buy the cheap one with ads and keep it on aircraft mode, longer battery life, no ads. (Download content from PC via USB)
Re:The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients by TallGuyShort on Monday June 08, 2020 @01:20PM (#23458512)
True - but the fact that's even possible still makes me happier than the TV my comment was replying to.
Re:The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients by beervirus on Monday June 08, 2020 @10:51AM (#23456966)
> Sony dropped playstation support for my 4K monitor in an irreversible software update

What kind of support does it need? Isn't it just an HDMI cable?

Re:The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients by jjoonathan on Monday June 08, 2020 @11:21AM (#23457264)
Nope. It was a specific HDMI codec that was common to early 4k TVs and monitors, and it worked great until they decided it shouldn't anymore. Something about HDMI 1.4 vs HDMI 2.0.
Re:The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients by throwaway0a5e on Monday June 08, 2020 @11:56AM (#23457711)
Sounds like something a $20ish active adapter should be able to fix. The box shouldn't care what's on the other end of the cable as long as whatever it is speaks the right version of the protocol.
Re:The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients by jjoonathan on Monday June 08, 2020 @01:10PM (#23458439)
The box would have to decrypt HDCP, swizzle one codec into another, and re-encrypt. I spent about $50 on dongles and the better part of a weekend pursuing that angle to no avail. Sony didn't make the announcement ahead of time, so nobody had an FPGA module ready. Of course, a cynic would say that was the whole point.

I wasn't alone in having this problem -- the support forums were overflowing with outraged threads about this. Support would give non-answers, wait for someone to say something objectionable, and then use it as an excuse to lock and delete the thread. Rinse, repeat. They had it down to a science.

Re:The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients by nitrogen on Monday June 08, 2020 @02:23PM (#23459211)
Active adapters of the sort you might need probably start around $70 and go up depending on the ports required. To get a 4k hdmi 2.0 to dp adapter would cost like $120+ for example.
Re:The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients by jjoonathan on Monday June 08, 2020 @03:43PM (#23459995)
I'm sure someone eventually made one to address the market need, and $120 sounds like a fair price given the complexity. It wasn't available when I needed it, and it doesn't change the fact that Sony just up and dropped support for old displays.
Re:The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients by LeonM on Monday June 08, 2020 @10:53AM (#23456993)
My guess is the TV must support DRM
Re:The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients by lreeves on Monday June 08, 2020 @11:25AM (#23457304)
That's only for Bluray playback, for gaming the PS4 doesn't care about HDCP.
Re:The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients by martin8412 on Monday June 08, 2020 @11:50AM (#23457630)
I'm pretty sure that is not correct. I've had issues with games on the PS4 not wanting to start, and I know the PS3 required HDCP for certain games as well.
Re:The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients by thisisnico on Monday June 08, 2020 @11:16AM (#23457217)
HDCP?
Re:The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients by derekp7 on Monday June 08, 2020 @10:16AM (#23456648)
If you open up a smart TV, isn't the "smart" part of it basically an embedded ARM cpu SBC, with a somewhat standard connection to the LCD cable? If so, how hard would it be to rip out the smarts and put in a passive HDMI to LCD converter board?
Re:The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients by nitrogen on Monday June 08, 2020 @02:24PM (#23459222)
This exact strategy is mentioned elsewhere, and it appears there are people trying to reverse engineer the base firmwares as well.
Re:The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients by hanklazard on Monday June 08, 2020 @10:14AM (#23456631)
That last part is my nightmare ... which company is it?
Re:The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients by jjoonathan on Monday June 08, 2020 @11:24AM (#23457295)
TCL. The screens are cheap, but they get you with the ads.