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Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by philjohn on Monday June 08, 2020 @06:36AM (#23455365)
Growing up in Belgium in the 80s and 90s I also remember Canal Plus and their encryption scheme - and trying (rather fruitlessly) to watch through a movie regardless - but of course, without the sound, that was a fool's errand.

I always wondered how the decoding worked, and for its time, using the serial number of the equipment as part of this calculation was a good one.

Also brings to mind the stories in the US of DirecTV pirating and how they put a stop to scores of pirates on Black Sunday - https://blog.codinghorror.com/revisiting-the-black-sunday-ha...

Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by anthk on Monday June 08, 2020 @07:58AM (#23455756)
> to watch through a movie regardless

Ahem, yes, "movies".

Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by dnpp123 on Monday June 08, 2020 @08:13AM (#23455831)
I guess that's the closest you can get of an 'insider joke' on HN.
Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by anthk on Monday June 08, 2020 @08:15AM (#23455840)
Nah, Canal + in Europe was infamous because one kind of movies on Friday nights. You can guess which ones, male teens loved them.

When BT848/878 PCI TV cards arrived, a few years later everyone tried to decode C+, for two (maybe three) reasons:

- Movies.

- Sports.

- Often, music videoclips.

The TV schedule quality of that channel was light years ahead compared to the ones you could watch in almost any European countries for free.

Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by phtrivier on Monday June 08, 2020 @10:48AM (#23456936)
I going to take the bait, out myself as a former teenager (spoiler: I'm old) and restore thruth: the kind of movies you're thinking about were notoriously aired on Saturday nights. (At least in France.)

But I swear I was just video-taping late evening TV to get the summaries of soccer games. (Yes, video-taping. Did I mention I was old ?)

Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by anthk on Monday June 08, 2020 @11:17AM (#23457228)
In Spain it was on Fridays, it's almost the same thing. On soccer, ditto. There is an HN-like news somewhere, when some people broadcasted the world soccer series in ASCII over telnet around 2007 I think.
Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by tangue on Monday June 08, 2020 @05:23PM (#23460974)
> some people broadcasted the world soccer series in ASCII over telnet around 2007

Out of curiosity I watched the 2006 world cup final https://ascii-wm.net/doc.php It's... refreshing

Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by dnpp123 on Monday June 08, 2020 @08:19AM (#23455861)
TIL. I really thought it was only a French thing. Thanks.
Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by anthk on Monday June 08, 2020 @08:26AM (#23455894)
At first, maybe. But they expanded really early in the 90's to the rest of Europe.

Also it was something "for the middle-upper class". Not for a loaded guy, but for someone with some degree of freedom in order to spend your salary, such as a College guy/group living alone with no family. If you had a TV deco, for sure you have some elder brother/sister with a job or your parents were from a relatively good position.

Everything changed in the middle-late 90's, OFC, as everyone began to buy multimedia PC's so kids at home could do their homework with word processors and the Encarta. Then the Avermedia TV arrived, cracking tools were widespread and with Linux and xawtv-nagra you had a really easy and secure way to watch a record C+ with no issues, except a huge 13GB file per hour, which you encoded into MPEG/XVID for convenience.

Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by CloudNetworking on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @07:57AM (#23465807)
I can confirm it was a thing in Spain too.
Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by arkh on Monday June 08, 2020 @08:59AM (#23456086)
End of the 90, you got Evangelion and South Park there.
Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by wil421 on Monday June 08, 2020 @09:38AM (#23456363)
Spice Channel “movies” for the US people.
Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by anthk on Monday June 08, 2020 @11:22AM (#23457271)
Was Spice Channel a full porn dedicated one, or just a paid channel? C+ was just a monthly paid channel with a diverse TV schedule, not just porn. You got blockbuster movies years earlier than in the free TV channels. You could basically watch The Matrix just months after the release on the theaters.
Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by wil421 on Monday June 08, 2020 @01:20PM (#23458527)
It was 100% porn. HBO had blockbuster movies during the day and softcore porn at night.

Spice TV: https://youtu.be/B89oftmlOuI

Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by dillonmckay on Monday June 08, 2020 @02:40PM (#23459390)
So, not sure if you used to watch The Movie Channel, but Joe Bob Briggs has a show on Shudder.
Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by Scoundreller on Monday June 08, 2020 @10:56AM (#23457020)
Real American pirates pointed to the Canadian systems that had... less restrictive policies for PPV.
Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by bulgr0z on Monday June 08, 2020 @12:15PM (#23457887)
This brings back so many memories, in the late nineties my dad brought a PCI TV Tuner card for the family computer and ditched our real TV in order to avoid paying the French TV Tax ("redevance").

It also allowed us to pirate Canal+, decrypting the video stream with a program called Moo TV (if I remember correctly). The audio stream required another program.

It was all a bit janky, frames were frequently dropped, and sometimes you had to tweak a few parameters to get a proper audio stream but the fact that it was (mostly) working was simply amazing to my brother and I.

Good times :)

Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by rtsil on Monday June 08, 2020 @12:42PM (#23458156)
> Moo TV (if I remember correctly).

Meuh Meuh TV. In the earlier version you had to use TV cards with special chips to use it. Good times.

I think it pretty much died with the advent of digital TV.

Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by tangue on Monday June 08, 2020 @05:18PM (#23460926)
"Meuhmeuh TV" ... brings back some greats memories. Finding a TV card, downloading a key on a strange website called "bellevache.com". I miss beige computer and PCI cards...
Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by bulgr0z on Monday June 08, 2020 @12:47PM (#23458206)
> Meuh Meuh TV

That's it ! Thank you so much for the rabbit hole of memories i'm about to go in

Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by rtsil on Monday June 08, 2020 @01:13PM (#23458462)
Well, your username brought back a flood of memories of its own, so we're even.
Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by anthk on Monday June 08, 2020 @06:53PM (#23461681)
Here we used MoreTV+Wilma under Windows/Xawtv-Nagra under Linux.
Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by blincoln on Monday June 08, 2020 @11:42AM (#23457534)
If it was decoding a broadcast signal, how could the unique serial number of an individual decoder play any useful part in the decryption key? I didn't see any discussion of this in the article. Sorry if I missed it.
Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by LeoPanthera on Monday June 08, 2020 @12:11PM (#23457847)
That months encryption key was "encrypted" with your serial number, and then mailed to you. You typed it into your box, and the box would decrypt it - knowing its own serial number - and then use the result.

This prevented you from copying your neighbors codes, they wouldn't work.

Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by readarticle on Monday June 08, 2020 @08:15AM (#23455842)
That linked story is fascinating enough to be its own post, I’d love to hear of others like it.

It’s never gotten traction on HN before either, or that specific article hasn’t anyways.

https://hn.algolia.com/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.codinghorror.com%...

Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by baud147258 on Monday June 08, 2020 @08:22AM (#23455871)
I've heard that a former employee at the company where I'm working was assembling pirate decoders on the side, but I don't really how they did for the keys, maybe shared between friends and family?
Re:Discret 11, the French TV encryption of the 80s by tgsovlerkhgsel on Monday June 08, 2020 @07:24PM (#23461888)
This scheme turns the serial number + the numerical code entered into it into a global decryption key. So you can calculate and distribute that.