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Re:A photo is crashing some Android phones by chooseaname on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @11:45AM (#23404703)
Article says crash, not brick. Brick is not recoverable.
Re:A photo is crashing some Android phones by dang on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @03:35PM (#23407681)
We've changed the title to sidestep this. The word 'brick' is up there with 'doxx' on the list of curiously provocative words that people will strongly protest if you use them wrong, yet aren't exactly well defined. Not as high on the list as 'doxx' though. 'Troll' is on that list too.
Re:A photo is crashing some Android phones by G4E on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @11:51AM (#23404777)
It's described as crashing in loop, even on restart. For people who don't know how to reflash/wipe from recovery, it render their phone useless, so as well as bricked.

I'm curious to see the post-mortem on this one, i'd guess a bug in the libjpg used in android, and a malformat in the encodibg of the picture ?

Re:A photo is crashing some Android phones by ehsankia on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @01:39PM (#23406233)
From my understanding, if it happens once, it's a crash, if it keeps rebooting it's a brick. If it can be recovered it's a soft-brick, otherwise it's a hard-brick.
Re:A photo is crashing some Android phones by Polylactic_acid on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @10:31PM (#23411686)
The thing is there is always more levels of bricked. Usually people refer to bricked as being unrecoverable through the usb flashing methods but there is usually a way to open up the device and flash the nand chip back to a working state. So its bricked in the perspective of a user but not for someone with electronics experience.
Re:A photo is crashing some Android phones by neunnech on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @02:22PM (#23406804)
Another commenter agrees with you, writing:

> it soft-bricked their phones (ie. they had to factory reset their device)

But the whole point of coming up with the word "brick" was to describe the set of scenarios where even things like factory reset won't work. This is "literally" all over again.

Re:A photo is crashing some Android phones by ehsankia on Thursday June 04, 2020 @01:07PM (#23419118)
But even with a hard brick (where it's "literally a brick"), you can sometimes bring it back to life by opening the device and swapping a component or soldering something.

I like soft vs hard brick, because it connects to software and hardware. With a soft brick, the device is basically a brick until you reset the software. With a hard brick, it requires potentially a hardware fix.

Re:A photo is crashing some Android phones by gruez on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @11:49AM (#23404757)
Some users report that it soft-bricked their phones (ie. they had to factory reset their device). Others were able to recover it by either deleting the wallpaper from TWRP, or pressing a sequences of keys to take a picture and set that as the wallpaper (apparently for them only the display was broken, everything else worked(.
Re:A photo is crashing some Android phones by asveikau on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @11:49AM (#23404755)
But the article also says if you set it as your wallpaper, you cannot get past the lock screen, which I am guessing is because it crashes again loading or rendering the wallpaper. So maybe you could boot with a key combination and reset the phone, but it's pretty close to bricking.
Re:A photo is crashing some Android phones by Hamuko on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @11:47AM (#23404729)
Soft bricks can be recovered from.
Re:A photo is crashing some Android phones by chooseaname on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @11:56AM (#23404857)
Neither the article nor the headline say soft brick. Besides, "soft brick" is just someone not wanting to admit that brick has an understood definition but they like the word brick and want to use it.
Re:A photo is crashing some Android phones by CathedralBorrow on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @12:20PM (#23405167)
Does brick have an understood definition though? I think this is the millionth time I see this exact discussion about a news story using the term differently from the one true definition. That doesn't seem very understood to me.
Re:A photo is crashing some Android phones by parliament32 on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @12:38PM (#23405408)
Well, yeah. "Brick", as in a paperweight, as in it's dead for good, forever. It's in the word.
Re:A photo is crashing some Android phones by mhh__ on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @02:03PM (#23406558)
It's so rare these days I really don't understand why people fuss over the definition.

It's almost impossible to brick anything with software, and even in hardware unless you damage the PCB itself you can usually recover if you tried hard enough (e.g. Even if you fry a $1500 FPGA you could technically reflow a new one and pray the bitstream is OK if you need it fixed now - although I'd rather you than me)

Re:A photo is crashing some Android phones by OJFord on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @02:30PM (#23406936)
Technically you could also lay out new components and copper trace on an actual brick, too.

I've always understood it to mean 'broken beyond software or high-level firmware repair'. i.e. if not actually a blown component, something needs to be reflashed which has an inaccessible JTAG header or something, rather than something 'higher level' like recovery images over ADB & USB.

Re:A photo is crashing some Android phones by pwg on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @06:15PM (#23409520)
It is in the Merriam-Webster dictionary:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/brick

Under the 'verb' usage:

2 : to render (an electronic device, such as a smartphone) nonfunctional (as by accidental damage, malicious hacking, or software changes) // … those who dared hack the phone to add features … risked having it "bricked"—completely and permanently disabled—on the next automatic update …

Re:A photo is crashing some Android phones by stOneskull on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @12:44PM (#23405486)
discussions must be had. it's one of those sesame street stories anyway; they want to use tech lingo with the kids.
Re:A photo is crashing some Android phones by jessriedel on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @11:50AM (#23404765)
I hadn't heard the term "soft brick" before, and if you Google it all the top results are about this.
Re:A photo is crashing some Android phones by Semaphor on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @12:03PM (#23404946)
"soft brick" is commonly used on XDA.
Re:A photo is crashing some Android phones by jessriedel on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @12:10PM (#23405047)
Is it a term that's usually only applied to androids?
Re:A photo is crashing some Android phones by wyldfire on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @12:21PM (#23405183)
'brick' in general is a sliding scale based on how many device debug/recovery tools you have access to and how much device disassembly you're willing to tolerate.
Re:A photo is crashing some Android phones by eghad on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @12:30PM (#23405297)
No, iOS devices can also soft-brick, it's just a general term. Most often people encounter the term in relation to hacking/rooting hardware, like a Nintendo DS/Switch for instance. Hitting up Wikipedia or Trends can help you dig through its usage considering how Google's search algo heavily biases current events wrt relevance.
Re:A photo is crashing some Android phones by 4cao on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @12:18PM (#23405151)
Not really, it's used for example with OpenWRT too:

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