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Re:DEA authorized to conduct surveillance on protestors by arkadiyt on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @08:26PM (#23398232)
Via Kim Zetter:

> If you're wondering why DEA and US Marshal's Service have been given authority to conduct covert surveillance of protestors, it's likely because they have planes outfitted with Dirtboxes - powerful stingray devices that collect data on phones from the air

https://twitter.com/KimZetter/status/1267969704259280896

Re:DEA authorized to conduct surveillance on protestors by cwkoss on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @02:14AM (#23400410)
I've seen a lot of cessna-style aircraft circling over south seattle at low altitude in the last few days - no visible camera - I bet that's what they're being used for.
Re:DEA authorized to conduct surveillance on protestors by redbeard0x0a on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @08:48AM (#23402721)
there have been Cessnas flying over Dallas too
Re:DEA authorized to conduct surveillance on protestors by kevinmchugh on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @11:18PM (#23399313)
This may explain why the DEA, but not why protestors, as opposed to looters
Re:DEA authorized to conduct surveillance on protestors by Kapura on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @09:04AM (#23402866)
Do you really think the cops see a distinction? If so, I encourage you to watch any of the dozens of videos of cops attacking people that have come out over the past 72 hours.

Cop brain is very simple: You wither listen to the cop or you are a criminal. There are no shades of grey, and the US police have demonstrated this across the country this weekend.

Re:DEA authorized to conduct surveillance on protestors by mkgolden on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @11:33PM (#23399393)
Maybe it is because protesters are more of a threat to those in power than looters
Re:DEA authorized to conduct surveillance on protestors by jessaustin on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @02:15AM (#23400415)
Of course, most of the looters are undercover cops anyway.
Re:DEA authorized to conduct surveillance on protestors by croissants on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @08:34AM (#23402625)
Most? I've seen hundreds of people looting in my neighborhood. Most of them aren't even adults, let alone cops.
Re:DEA authorized to conduct surveillance on protestors by jhloa2 on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @09:43AM (#23403237)
Yeah this just isn't true. I'm sure that there's been some false flag attacks but to say that most of the looters are undercover cops is asinine.
Re:DEA authorized to conduct surveillance on protestors by koheripbal on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @05:21PM (#23408933)
There are several concerning videos of people trying to trigger violence at protests. Here is one list I saw today...

https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gvmhh6/fbi_...

Re:DEA authorized to conduct surveillance on protestors by NoSorryCannot on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @07:54PM (#23410594)
I find it unusual and upsetting that this comparison gets made so often.

On one side, you have the generally disorganized public which naturally includes the opportunistic, the provocative, the desperate. On the other, you have the police and the military, nominally organized with a largely uniform mission and code of conduct.

Bad behavior by the government is less excusable and also more threatening.

Re:DEA authorized to conduct surveillance on protestors by koheripbal on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @09:05PM (#23411145)
I don't think it's meaningful to try to compare them. Is police brutality worse - ok. It's not relevant to the investigation the FBI is looking into.

I also think there may be some suspicions that some violent instigators might be acting at the urging of a foreign government - which is the domain of the FBI.

I think it's reasonable to help them in that effort - while also condemning the police for their role.

The death of ONE MAN, George Floyd, caused mass outrage. If a foreign directed agent is able to instigate a similar tragedy, I think that's very very important to nail down.

Re:DEA authorized to conduct surveillance on protestors by beerandt on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @11:06AM (#23404170)
Actual text from the authorization memo:

"...to enforce federal criminal laws in the wake of protests..."

So not protestors, but criminals taking advantage of protests.

Re:DEA authorized to conduct surveillance on protestors by makomk on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @05:46AM (#23401667)
Because putting "protestors" in the title fits Buzzfeed's narrative better than "looters"? The stated purpose is to allow the DEA to investigate crimes such as looting, arson etc committed under cover of the protests.
Re:DEA authorized to conduct surveillance on protestors by chooseaname on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @11:04AM (#23404133)
This is why we need strong encryption. Our First Amendment is under attack. These days you cannot have a right to peacefully assemble and protest without having strong encryption available to plan.
Re:DEA authorized to conduct surveillance on protestors by acdha on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @11:53AM (#23404806)
Encryption is a small part of the problem: you need to deal with mass tracking, coercion, infiltration, and the lack of checks and balances preventing abuse. I want strong E2E encryption as well but it’s just one part of a large problem.
Re:DEA authorized to conduct surveillance on protestors by barnesto on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @11:13AM (#23404254)
1A doesn't extend to riots. Peaceable assembly is what it covers. Not burning down gov't buildings, shooting people trying to protect their property, or throwing Molotov cocktails in police cruisers.

Peaceable assembly is what the anti-lockdown protesters were all about, but those people are grandma killers, right? Unlike the Antifa thugs that are assaulting women in wheelchairs.

The gov't should use all it's resources to put an end to these riots, which are more insurrection than riot. Hence the surveillance drones and planes. Get used to it or stop rioting. And the gov't will go back to their normal surveillance state. So yeah, we still need strong encryption.

Re:DEA authorized to conduct surveillance on protestors by chooseaname on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @11:41AM (#23404644)
> Peaceable assembly is what the anti-lockdown protesters were all about, but those people are grandma killers, right?

They came with long guns and spat at the police officers. But, okay, sure, that's "Peaceable".

Re:DEA authorized to conduct surveillance on protestors by 0xffff2 on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @12:55PM (#23405642)
... yes? How many people did they shoot? AFAIK it was 0, in which case how many guns they brought is irrelevant. Likewise spitting at police officers is pretty peaceable by the standards of the current riots.

To be clear, they are total and complete idiots, but unless I've missed something they are peaceful idiots.

Re:DEA authorized to conduct surveillance on protestors by vulcan01 on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @01:27PM (#23406060)
Not only the First Amendment, but also the Fourth.