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Re:Stockton extends its monthly $500 UBI payment experiment by fny on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @03:11PM (#23394928)
You should read into Modern Monetary Theory. The government can print the money by issuing treasuries: there's no need for the money to come from anywhere. Social security can easily be paid for. Interest on debt is never a problem.

The base argument is that any government that issues its own currency can never default, so it can incur large deficit spending that creates a surplus in the private economy.

The difficulty is whether that surplus is put to produce growth which would offset the inflation that conjuring money creates. If everyone sits at home doing nothing, you bet inflation will happen. If it's used as a cushion, perhaps not.

Re:Stockton extends its monthly $500 UBI payment experiment by grandmczeb on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @03:20PM (#23395059)
It’s important to note “Modern Monetary Theory” (aka MMT) is almost unanimously rejected by mainstream academics[1]. Its largest proponents are political leaders rather than economists.

[1] http://www.igmchicago.org/surveys/modern-monetary-theory/

Re:Stockton extends its monthly $500 UBI payment experiment by jpxw on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @03:28PM (#23395197)
MMT is an absolute joke, I’m glad at least someone has called it out here.
Re:Stockton extends its monthly $500 UBI payment experiment by fny on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @03:31PM (#23395230)
It's also important to note that main stream academics all thought the stimulus during the financial crisis would be inflationary, and they were wrong. Now, I'm not advocating for the government to print money galore since more dollars chasing fewer resources means inflation, but I think there's a decent case to be made that the current debt level is sustainable if we can gain efficiency to match the rate of currency growth.

Also, I should add--I do not think UBI is a wise path.

Re:Stockton extends its monthly $500 UBI payment experiment by bhupy on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @03:15PM (#23394969)
Question: why not abolish all taxes, then? If we can just MMT the current Federal budget, why should anyone pay taxes?
Re:Stockton extends its monthly $500 UBI payment experiment by rapind on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @03:21PM (#23395060)
You can implement a progressive tax using UBI and a flat tax instead and thus get rid of all the loopholes and tax screwery. IMO this is what all countries should do. Corruption loves complexity.
Re:Stockton extends its monthly $500 UBI payment experiment by hpkuarg on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @04:03PM (#23395692)
I dream of the day that a land value tax, and only a land value tax, covers all government services. In fact, one could argue that the size of government that a land value tax supports is the maximum size.
Re:Stockton extends its monthly $500 UBI payment experiment by bhupy on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @07:13PM (#23397657)
All excellent ideas. Unfortunately I think a Federal LVT would require a Constitutional amendment, but nothing stopping us from doing this at the State level.
Re:Stockton extends its monthly $500 UBI payment experiment by fny on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @11:54PM (#23399496)
An MMT theorist would argue that taxation is used to withdraw money from circulation and redistribute income. They advocate for using fiscal policy to drive monetary policy.

I just want to state for clarity's sake that I don't espouse the policies of MMT theorists. It's just a framework that appears to have some analytical merit. For example, despite the roaring deficits, why has demand for treasuries not decreased? Why did QE and high government spending not cause inflation? Why do surpluses tend to trigger recessions?

Re:Stockton extends its monthly $500 UBI payment experiment by imtringued on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @04:59AM (#23401436)
The reason why we don't see consumer price inflation is that most central bank policies do not actually involve consumer goods. Stocks, education and housing are inflating according to conventional economics. If you were to fund a UBI by printing money then the printed money would be spent on consumer goods and you would see consumer inflation.
Re:Stockton extends its monthly $500 UBI payment experiment by throwsoundpop on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @03:15PM (#23394967)
> If everyone sits at home doing nothing, you bet inflation will happen

Why would people sitting at home doing nothing be detrimental to growth? Growth doesn't necessarily require masses of people to do more work; it can be achieved through productivity gains, e.g. improvements in tooling, and research + development.

Re:Stockton extends its monthly $500 UBI payment experiment by ralusek on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @12:04PM (#23404971)
That would involve them not sitting at home doing nothing...