Re:As Qualified Immunity Takes Center Stage, More Delay from...
by Buttons840 on Monday June 01, 2020 @02:31PM
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I don't get the logic. When executing a warrent is the 4th amendment the only law that must be followed? If I murder someone while executing a warrent, is it unclear whether I broke the law, because the court has never declared that murder violates the 4th amendment?
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Re:As Qualified Immunity Takes Center Stage, More Delay from...
by tehwebguy on Monday June 01, 2020 @02:41PM
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I mean, that's why this is in the news right now. Yes, this one cop has now been charged, but it's not the norm.
Re:As Qualified Immunity Takes Center Stage, More Delay from...
by lsiebert on Monday June 01, 2020 @02:40PM
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This is a civil rights lawsuit, not a criminal case.
Re:As Qualified Immunity Takes Center Stage, More Delay from...
by pas on Monday June 01, 2020 @03:33PM
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How come the officer isn't charged with theft/larceny?
Re:As Qualified Immunity Takes Center Stage, More Delay from...
by TheMagicHorsey on Monday June 01, 2020 @03:57PM
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Because the district attorney would have to bring those charges, and he doesn't want to, because it's his homies.
Re:As Qualified Immunity Takes Center Stage, More Delay from...
by thrwn_frthr_awy on Monday June 01, 2020 @05:05PM
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Which is interesting given his civil defense was “you can’t sue me because I stole the money from the police department/city not you”.
Re:As Qualified Immunity Takes Center Stage, More Delay from...
by pas on Monday June 01, 2020 @04:21PM
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Tough on crime, as long as it wasn't perpetrated by mah buddies in blu?
Re:As Qualified Immunity Takes Center Stage, More Delay from...
by gowld on Monday June 01, 2020 @02:45PM
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The theory is that the coins were legally seized, then illegally stolen by the police officer. So the crime is theft (and various other things relating to a police officer stealing from "the system", like abuse of office), but not an illegal seizure.
Re:As Qualified Immunity Takes Center Stage, More Delay from...
by microtherion on Monday June 01, 2020 @03:58PM
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I don't think that explanation is accurate, see https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca9/17...:
> Following the search, the City Officers gave Appellants an inventory sheet stating that they seized approximately $50,000 from Appellants’ properties. Appellants alleged, however, that the officers actually seized $151,380 in cash and another $125,000 in rare coins.
If the receipt was fraudulent, as is alleged here, I don't see how the seizure could be legal.
Re:As Qualified Immunity Takes Center Stage, More Delay from...
by vageli on Monday June 01, 2020 @04:11PM
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They even went so far as to falsify an inventory. Why would they go to that trouble if they believed their conduct was lawful? In my view this supports an allegation of wrongdoing.
Re:As Qualified Immunity Takes Center Stage, More Delay from...
by antishatter on Monday June 01, 2020 @02:55PM
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Ah but if the defendant is later found innocent or charges dropped, who is sued to recover the property? The police officer or the department. Presumably the department because deeper pockets etc.
Re:As Qualified Immunity Takes Center Stage, More Delay from...
by Talanes on Monday June 01, 2020 @03:08PM
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The police department is also the party who was legally responsible for those goods at the time, so obviously the defendant's case would be against the police department. The department is the one who was wronged by the officer, so they are the ones who have cause against him personally.
Re:As Qualified Immunity Takes Center Stage, More Delay from...
by nybble41 on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @05:26PM
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The defendants could make a reasonable case against both the officer who stole the property out of police custody and the police department that failed to protect it. The former for theft and failure to return the property to its owner, and the latter for negligence. I believe the term is "jointly and severally liable"?
The police department has its own separate claim against the officer, of course, for the costs they have incurred (separate from the value of the stolen property, which wasn't theirs to begin with) as a result of the officer's actions.
Re:As Qualified Immunity Takes Center Stage, More Delay from...
by elliekelly on Monday June 01, 2020 @03:02PM
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But from what I understand the department doesn't have the allegedly stolen property - the officers themselves do. Which is why the (innocent, I might add) individuals are left without recourse for action undertaken by government agents.
Re:As Qualified Immunity Takes Center Stage, More Delay from...
by Enginerrrd on Monday June 01, 2020 @03:43PM
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Certainly in many other contexts, the parent organization has been found responsible for negligent or illegal behavior by their employee for civil damages. That's one of the reasons for drug testing and background checks.