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Re:Supreme Court says state may enforce some restrictions on... by zaroth on Saturday May 30, 2020 @07:16PM (#23365694)
Well it most certainly is a human right. Religious or otherwise. That was actually never up for debate.

The question is that right can only be temporarily, narrowly, and non-discriminately suspended under extraordinary circumstances, and 5-4 agreed that is in fact what has been done.

Re:Supreme Court says state may enforce some restrictions on... by pnw_hazor on Saturday May 30, 2020 @07:25PM (#23365756)
The problem is that the government is saying that grocery shopping is more important than going to church.

For me personally, grocery shopping is undeniably more important since I am not religious. But for others being denied access to religious services or practice may be a grave sin that is worse than having to wait in longer lines at the grocery store.

On that note, I am going to go shopping.

Re:Supreme Court says state may enforce some restrictions on... by kmonsen on Saturday May 30, 2020 @07:53PM (#23365934)
They are still allowed religious service and practice, but in a controlled way that will not spread the virus.
Re:Supreme Court says state may enforce some restrictions on... by pnw_hazor on Saturday May 30, 2020 @11:02PM (#23366804)
The issue is that the government is putting more restrictions on the church than it does grocery stores.

If California put the same restrictions on grocery stores, as it did churches they would be more consistent with US law. Otherwise, the government has to prove that the difference in restrictions is so important it outweighs the religious concerns raised by the plaintiffs. (This is a high bar to reach in the US.)

The SCOTUS is being lazy by letting CA characterize a church similarly to a commercial movie theater. That is nonsense. A person can miss a movie without risking eternal damnation, but this may not be true for some church services for some Christians.

Re:Supreme Court says state may enforce some restrictions on... by paulryanrogers on Saturday May 30, 2020 @11:33PM (#23366952)
People need food to survive. No one needs religion.
Re:Supreme Court says state may enforce some restrictions on... by colejohnson66 on Saturday May 30, 2020 @11:46PM (#23367010)
I take issue with that statement. Yes, people need food to survive, and yes, one can survive without religion, but that shouldn’t be the argument. It should be that one can worship from home; one doesn’t need to go to a religious building for worship.
Re:Supreme Court says state may enforce some restrictions on... by paulryanrogers on Saturday May 30, 2020 @09:25PM (#23366404)
> But for others being denied access to religious services or practice may be a grave sin that is worse than having to wait in longer lines at the grocery store

Earnest belief has also led to self inflicted wounds, drowning, and hanging others. I don't think religion should get a pass or get preferencial treatment.

Re:Supreme Court says state may enforce some restrictions on... by pnw_hazor on Saturday May 30, 2020 @10:47PM (#23366739)
A US government does not get to tell people how to practice religion beyond making a determination whether the belief system is a religion. And, making a determination if a particular practice is legal (to exclude harms like you mention).

That is why I have been careful to describe protected religious practices using the term 'otherwise lawful religious practice'.

The plaintiffs clearly practice a religion. Going to church is clearly a legal religious practice. Thus, the government needs to prove that shorter lines at grocery stores are more important than longer lines or less capacity at churches. The government can't prove that because it can't interpret (or weigh) the importance of going to church.

Re:Supreme Court says state may enforce some restrictions on... by paulryanrogers on Sunday May 31, 2020 @09:38AM (#23369528)
Food > faith

If you've known any religious people who successfully fasted all food for over a month then you may have seen the evidence for yourself. (Even as a once religious person I found it shocking.)

Re:Supreme Court says state may enforce some restrictions on... by bradleyjg on Saturday May 30, 2020 @08:59PM (#23366270)
That hasn’t been decided one way or the other yet. This was just about what would happen while the litigation continues.