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Re:Huawei builds up 2-year reserve of 'most important' US chips by amelius on Saturday May 30, 2020 @06:31AM (#23360065)
> Modern lithography technology (and in general high-end semiconductor production) is complicated enough that neither US nor China may catch up in reasonable time

I suppose that much of the tech is already in the scientific literature, and the "only" problem left is putting the pieces together.

Re:Huawei builds up 2-year reserve of 'most important' US chips by skrebbel on Saturday May 30, 2020 @03:24PM (#23363862)
That is indeed the only problem, and it is a hard problem.

ASML people like to describe it as "a bit like having robot controlled helicopters tie a rope around a skyscraper in a heavy storm, while not crashing nor pulling the skyscraper over" iirc.

This is because at nanoscale, every vibration is a huge movement, and even the flattest surface is mountainous. An ASML machine is basically little more than tons of little sensors and control mechanisms to detect all these vibrations and surface shapes and to adjust the light beam positioning accordingly.

Because of this, nearly the entire company (several thousand people R&D staff) is focused on "putting the pieces together". Eg they do comparatively little deep research. It's all engineering.

Re:Huawei builds up 2-year reserve of 'most important' US chips by ktta on Saturday May 30, 2020 @06:42AM (#23360150)
There is a reason TSMC is the only fab working on <='7nm' class lithography. It is hard. It also requires massive amounts of capital expenditure. And that's the case when the critical equipment is bought from a different company that's again, in a league of its own.

So even if the 'only' problem is putting the pieces together, that doesn't mean it is even possible. Look at it another way-- same thing can be said about Nuclear Fusion :D

Re:Huawei builds up 2-year reserve of 'most important' US chips by Olreich on Saturday May 30, 2020 @07:08AM (#23360273)
Intel can’t do it. The leader of chip fans for near half a century failed to deliver on this generation of lithography. That’s the level of difficulty we’re talking about.
Re:Huawei builds up 2-year reserve of 'most important' US chips by amelius on Saturday May 30, 2020 @07:24AM (#23360353)
Intel is stuck in fierce competition. They don't have the money that China has.

I suppose that Apple or Google would be able to pull it off though.

Re:Huawei builds up 2-year reserve of 'most important' US chips by BobbyJo on Saturday May 30, 2020 @02:06PM (#23363217)
Neither of those two companies have any of the needed expertise. If all you have is money, it will take you decades to catch up.
Re:Huawei builds up 2-year reserve of 'most important' US chips by flyinglizard on Saturday May 30, 2020 @02:06PM (#23363218)
Neither have any fab operations, what makes you think they could make a dent? Mind you don’t have to just make chips. You can’t make inferior chips and brand them a certain way. You need to be an actual market leader at the cutting edge of fab technology, otherwise Apple devices will not be competitive.