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Re:Docker Expands Relationship with Microsoft by narrationbox on Thursday May 28, 2020 @12:10PM (#23338952)
The short answer is that selling developer tools is hard. Software engineers especially do not like to pay for stuff. We used to be in the DevOps space [0] and it is something that requires heavy enterprise sales to monetise well. There are few companies that truly took off in selling digital shovels, one example is probably Jetbrains. Most developer tooling/platform companies either died or got acquihired once they run out of funding. Flynn and Deis were both acquired and I suspect even the new generation of PaaS like Vercel would have to look for alternate sources of revenue once the VC funding dries up and if they do not achieve profitability. The container space is extremely challenging if you are competing directly with companies like Google with tremendous amount of cash and a willingness to buy developer mindshare. Docker may have popularised containers and singlehandedly brought the ideas of BSD jails mainstream but profiting from it is another thing entirely (you can do pretty well consulting on Kubernetes etc. but that would hardly give unicorn levels of return).

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23254394

Re:Docker Expands Relationship with Microsoft by apozem on Thursday May 28, 2020 @01:17PM (#23339872)
This is why Microsoft's strategy is so interesting. They're capturing the value of IDEs and GitHub (a company that struggled to monetize while solo) by soft-bundling them together with Azure, which is extremely easy to monetize.

If it works, all those cool VS Code features will be covered in your monthly cloud bill.

Re:Docker Expands Relationship with Microsoft by BiteCode_dev on Thursday May 28, 2020 @12:37PM (#23339319)
Which microsoft understood well: those dev tools are popular, but can't make money. Well, they have money and they need to become popular again.

Deal.

Re:Docker Expands Relationship with Microsoft by kyawzazaw on Thursday May 28, 2020 @01:07PM (#23339722)
Why is JetBrains a rare success compared to others?
Re:Docker Expands Relationship with Microsoft by libria on Thursday May 28, 2020 @01:37PM (#23340091)
I suppose it's hard to sell tools to people whose job it is to build tools, e.g. John Resig could never have sold jQuery because someone would have just written a feature compatible version for free. (edit, well the source is visible so that might be a bad example)

One thing coders do poorly is UX. Most things I’ve seen that are UX heavy done right are commercial and light-years ahead of open-source versions.

Re:Docker Expands Relationship with Microsoft by thrower123 on Thursday May 28, 2020 @03:47PM (#23341690)
Mostly because they are really, really good, and they don't ask much for it.

I think I pay them less than $150 for a yearly subscription to their entire toolset, which is a price point that makes it stupid not to buy them. ReSharper is well worth a cup of coffee a week, by itself, and then there is DataGrip, WebStorm, IntelliJ, profilers, decompilers, and other stuff thrown in.

Re:Docker Expands Relationship with Microsoft by yakz on Thursday May 28, 2020 @05:40PM (#23343063)
I also enjoy their universal subscription but I recommend trying Rider if you like ReSharper. Outside of small solutions, I find that ReSharper requires more patience than I can muster. The type-and-wait is significantly worse than I remember from classic Mac all-in-ones from the early/mid 90s.
Re:Docker Expands Relationship with Microsoft by tracker1 on Thursday May 28, 2020 @07:57PM (#23344613)
Type and wait is literally the main reason I do most of my actual work in VS Code now instead of Visual Studio... I can't stand the full vs experience... code is just nicer imo.
Re:Docker Expands Relationship with Microsoft by herogreen on Friday May 29, 2020 @03:05AM (#23347048)
What do you mean by type and wait ?
Re:Docker Expands Relationship with Microsoft by bdcravens on Thursday May 28, 2020 @01:19PM (#23339896)
JetBrains seems to do a good job sticking with the core audience of in-the-trenches coders, instead of trying to expand in a way that feels corporatey and enterprisey.
Re:Docker Expands Relationship with Microsoft by agustif on Thursday May 28, 2020 @12:35PM (#23339289)
The eternal question of how much you can capture of the value you create.