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Re:The 'war tubas' we used to spot warplanes before radar (2... by ChuckMcM on Thursday May 28, 2020 @12:58PM (#23339612)
Now I want to hear "Minuet in G for War Tuba" :-)

One of the more interesting things about sailing on Lake Mead outside of Las Vegas was that when conditions were right you could hear people talking on the beach more than a mile away. That you could weaponize this phenomena seems pretty obvious in hindsight.

Re:The 'war tubas' we used to spot warplanes before radar (2... by cbanek on Thursday May 28, 2020 @01:42PM (#23340134)
I love how sound carries over water. As a child, I used to sit on a dock on a small lake, and I could see the beach somewhere between half a mile and a mile away, and they would play volleyball. I could hear each noise as the ball was bumped, noticing how the sound was delayed after the viewing of the ball hit. I was totally amazed thinking, "I've just noticed the difference between the speed of light and the speed of sound."

Good times.

Re:The 'war tubas' we used to spot warplanes before radar (2... by Aardwolf on Thursday May 28, 2020 @07:04AM (#23335899)
Any idea why they're all pointed in the same direction, rather than different directions, in photo 4/10?

https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/q_auto,w_1100,c_fill,g_aut...

Re:The 'war tubas' we used to spot warplanes before radar (2... by usrusr on Thursday May 28, 2020 @07:15AM (#23335968)
You don't want to scan two angles at once. Direction is determined by probing different angles, not by the difference between two angles.
Re:The 'war tubas' we used to spot warplanes before radar (2... by anamexis on Thursday May 28, 2020 @11:13AM (#23338276)
From the article, it seems like the four horns on each individual unit are enough to do the triangulation.
Re:The 'war tubas' we used to spot warplanes before radar (2... by Luc on Thursday May 28, 2020 @09:53AM (#23337236)
Looks like San Francisco, so I assume it's an exercise and perhaps they're all tracking the same friendly plane.
Re:The 'war tubas' we used to spot warplanes before radar (2... by Sosh101 on Thursday May 28, 2020 @06:42AM (#23335765)
Would this still work for modern military aircraft? I wonder if this + machine learning might still be useful, given radar stealth.
Re:The 'war tubas' we used to spot warplanes before radar (2... by nephrite on Thursday May 28, 2020 @06:51AM (#23335824)
Many of modern aircraft is supersonic so acoustic detection would be useless, even if it technically works.
Re:The 'war tubas' we used to spot warplanes before radar (2... by Sosh101 on Thursday May 28, 2020 @06:59AM (#23335871)
True (though stealth bombers are subsonic, just). What about headings that are not straight at you though? May still have value detecting things passing by?
Re:The 'war tubas' we used to spot warplanes before radar (2... by Ididntdothis on Thursday May 28, 2020 @11:01AM (#23338097)
When I was at military I attended a few exercises where jets were involved. They don’t go supersonic but pretty close to it so usually once you start hearing something it’s almost over. It’s actually quite terrifying to have a jet coming at you at 800 km/h at low altitude. Very surprising, then very loud and incredibly fast. You also hear passing by jets only once they are long gone. I assume radar is just much better than sound.
Re:The 'war tubas' we used to spot warplanes before radar (2... by jacquesm on Thursday May 28, 2020 @12:51PM (#23339502)
Not just jets, a regular propeller based plane can have that effect:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iOoiEbtf2w

Re:The 'war tubas' we used to spot warplanes before radar (2... by Ididntdothis on Thursday May 28, 2020 @01:02PM (#23339653)
Now double or triple the speed, make it much louder and you have a jet.
Re:The 'war tubas' we used to spot warplanes before radar (2... by foldr on Thursday May 28, 2020 @07:48AM (#23336178)
Most do not have supercruise, so they would spend most of their flight at high subsonic speeds.
Re:The 'war tubas' we used to spot warplanes before radar (2... by rtkwe on Thursday May 28, 2020 @09:49AM (#23337182)
Then it becomes a battle between the detection range of the audio sensors vs how long the attacking craft can spend supersonic. They could spend the last phase of the approach supersonic and even transition then turn to make any tracking useless.
Re:The 'war tubas' we used to spot warplanes before radar (2... by dylan604 on Thursday May 28, 2020 @02:21PM (#23340543)
If they are supersonic, would you just need to increase how much you lead the weapon. Supersonic doesn't mean they're quiet, they're just further ahead than where you are hearing them. Or am I just totally making stuff up?
Re:The 'war tubas' we used to spot warplanes before radar (2... by SiempreViernes on Thursday May 28, 2020 @06:51AM (#23335819)
I think much of the usefulness is tied up into the sound arriving substantially before the plane itself.
Re:The 'war tubas' we used to spot warplanes before radar (2... by TomMarius on Thursday May 28, 2020 @07:20AM (#23336004)
Or you have a network of sensors?
Re:The 'war tubas' we used to spot warplanes before radar (2... by SamReidHughes on Thursday May 28, 2020 @08:24AM (#23336411)
Detecting helicopters would be one situation where it could be useful for mobile troops on the ground.
Re:The 'war tubas' we used to spot warplanes before radar (2... by _sbrk on Thursday May 28, 2020 @01:37PM (#23340080)
One of my favorite bands has the wearable-size version on the cover of an album.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hello_World_(Information_Soc...

Re:The 'war tubas' we used to spot warplanes before radar (2... by simonsarris on Thursday May 28, 2020 @07:26AM (#23336045)
When I played Bioshock Infinite (2013) I had wondered if the Boys of Silence were conceived based on this idea.

https://bioshock.fandom.com/wiki/Boy_of_Silence

Re:The 'war tubas' we used to spot warplanes before radar (2... by peter_d_sherman on Thursday May 28, 2020 @05:12PM (#23342710)
These structures might very well have non-military (peaceful) applications for physics experiments involving sound...

Sort of like what observatories are to light... these structures might be to sound...

Re:The 'war tubas' we used to spot warplanes before radar (2... by dylan604 on Thursday May 28, 2020 @02:18PM (#23340515)
I'm kind of disappointed I have never seen these in any movies before. I'm thinking they would have specifically gone well with the recent Man In High Castle series.
Re:The 'war tubas' we used to spot warplanes before radar (2... by autokad on Thursday May 28, 2020 @12:35PM (#23339297)
very interesting. still could be useful against drones, especially as drones get used more and more in espionage and reconnaissance
Re:The 'war tubas' we used to spot warplanes before radar (2... by inscartwheelies on Thursday May 28, 2020 @06:22AM (#23335618)
The next iteration, sound mirrors, were featured on Tom Scott.

https://youtu.be/04F5osXK4vw