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Re:A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety o... by rumanator on Wednesday May 27, 2020 @02:52AM (#23320123)
> A young person is building their life, lockdown is preventing them from doing that.

I find this comment utterly mind boggling. The US's stay at home orders were issued when? Mid to end of March? That makes it what? About 1 month? Are we supposed to believe that "young people" suddenly get into a tail spin because they have to endure a whole month of not finding a partner, get to know each other, make life plans, and get pregnant?

Re:A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety o... by argonaut on Wednesday May 27, 2020 @03:55AM (#23320540)
I find your comment to be even more mind boggling - I'm not exaggerating. The shutdown has been short but it has completely wrecked with education and entry-level jobs, which define a young person's development.

1) Anyone in school has had their education upended. Schools will be closed March through June. That is 3 months of a child or teen's educational/social/psychological development. I'm not even talking about college (which you can argue can muddle along with distance education), or summer activities (which you can argue are optional), but those have been impacted too.

2) For those in college, I would guess the majority have lost internships. Many new grads have lost their jobs. Most new grads probably didn't even get a job by March, and now they likely won't get a job until the end of the year or next year. For the majority of people who don't go to college, many work in service jobs and have been wiped out.

Re:A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety o... by malandrew on Wednesday May 27, 2020 @03:01PM (#23328205)
> it has completely wrecked with education and entry-level jobs

Humans have recovered and prospered from far more dire circumstances, including many immigrants to the US and Europe.

Re:A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety o... by Apocryphon on Wednesday May 27, 2020 @03:09PM (#23328328)
You're not wrong, but I suspect that there's a widespread Whig view of history that's been present in the Western world since the end of WWII.

You think of the '90s and the prosperity there, the end of major international rivalries, the birth of the Information Age, and imagine that time will just go on forever. Each generation is supposed to live better lives than the previous generation, right? We have the technology!

And yet the past couple of decades showed that no, income inequality and rising costs of living and the impossibility of buying housing in many markets have basically depressed American (and many other Western) youth, sort of like what's been happening in Japan all this time.

The hardscrabble Ellis Island immigrants were fleeing from clearly traumatic problems. Famine, war, disease. What afflicts modern day youth? High prices, bad numbers. It's an abstract foe with no clear solutions. It's not as if they can just move to Australia or New Zealand, another frontier of economic opportunity to start anew.

Re:A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety o... by op00to on Wednesday May 27, 2020 @07:41PM (#23331571)
Sure, and the dinosaurs perished. What’s that got to do with the price of tea in China?
Re:A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety o... by rumanator on Wednesday May 27, 2020 @08:38PM (#23331987)
You only have to be aware of the recent financial crisis, whose impact went through arguably between 4 to 6 years, to realize that enduring a simple lockdown that takes 4 to 6 weeks is a mere inconvenience, and whining about the devastating impact of staying at home for a few weeks is a kin of whining about not getting a haircut on schedule.
Re:A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety o... by username90 on Wednesday May 27, 2020 @03:09AM (#23320235)
It doesn't just put family building on ice, it puts almost everything on ice. Everyone who hasn't already built a life they are reasonable happy with will be feeling horrible right now, and most young people are in that stage. I'm already above that age so Corona doesn't affect me much, but I know that if I were younger I'd hate it.
Re:A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety o... by tayo42 on Wednesday May 27, 2020 @03:30AM (#23320390)
All of that plus the unknown end of it. Sure its been 2 or 3 months but its not like its ending tomorrow. Any one who wanted to make a major life change in the next two years is probably rethinking it.
Re:A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety o... by ck425 on Wednesday May 27, 2020 @04:16AM (#23320673)
This is an issue I've had. I've been reconsidering and exploring career options over the last year. Atm I can't act on anything but I've all the time in the world to dwell on it. It's incredible frustrating and causing me a lot of anxiety. And I'm one of the lucky ones with a secure job that's not terrible. I can't imagine how rough it is for others.
Re:A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety o... by closeparen on Wednesday May 27, 2020 @05:26PM (#23330237)
Well said. And decisions are going to be made almost exclusively by people who do already have homes and families they are happy with.
Re:A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety o... by avbanks on Wednesday May 27, 2020 @03:30PM (#23328662)
This is a very eloquent way of describing my exact feelings toward this situation.
Re:A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety o... by nmfisher on Wednesday May 27, 2020 @03:07AM (#23320214)
> I find this comment utterly mind boggling. The US's stay at home orders were issued when? Mid to end of March? That makes it what? About 1 month? Are we supposed to believe that "young people" suddenly get into a tail spin because they have to endure a whole month of not finding a partner, get to know each other, make life plans, and get pregnant?

No, but millions have lost their jobs due to the shutdown, and it's very conceivable that many would put off children/marriage/partnership because of that.

Re:A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety o... by SketchySeaBeast on Wednesday May 27, 2020 @03:24PM (#23328545)
I know that the whole "have kids" thing, which we were thinking about, has basically been totally shut down. Nope, this is craziness, time to just survive for the next few years.
Re:A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety o... by karatestomp on Wednesday May 27, 2020 @03:59PM (#23329129)
On the plus side, if you catch a bad case of Covid then a birth this year will probably work out as free because you'll be hitting your out-of-pocket max anyway. Just make sure you time it so the birth doesn't hit on the next year or they'll get you for double.

(yes, for international folks, people in the US who've thought it through really do base their family planning in large part on when their annual insurance limits reset, because the difference in costs can be thousands of dollars even with pretty good insurance, if you accidentally land most of the prenatal care on one year and the birth itself on the next)

Re:A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety o... by subhobroto on Thursday May 28, 2020 @12:46PM (#23339443)
> out-of-pocket max

> yes, for international folks, people in the US

That's not the end of it. There's an "in network" deductible and "out of network" (OON) deductible.

Depending on the health plan you have and the state you live in, the hospitals can also "balance bill" if they are OON.

When giving birth, parents in the U.S. is very much expected to ask everyone involved, I repeat, everyone involved that they are not OON.

It's insane.

Re:A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety o... by avgDev on Thursday May 28, 2020 @10:59AM (#23338060)
We had a baby in May, it was a bit uncomfortable being in the hospital but it everyone is healthy. I'm in Illinois and I am grateful our governor ordered stay at home. We were worried about over crowding at hospitals.

But yeah....I don't think anyone would willingly have a baby right now.

Re:A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety o... by SketchySeaBeast on Thursday May 28, 2020 @11:51AM (#23338716)
Congratulations!
Re:A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety o... by freeone3000 on Wednesday May 27, 2020 @04:08PM (#23329245)
It's not that it's been two months, it's that it's been two months and no plan for the future. If I knew, ahead of time, that I'd be able to meet people again in another month? Sure, that's 3 months, that's no problem. It's the indefinite suspension of all activities! It's the suspected lockdown! It's not even the laws - people are scared, if you don't already have a long-term partner you're probably not going to go meet someone new! You can't even make plans for "after", because it's unclear when exactly "after" is. This is a huge roadblock to any sort of planning, much less a romantic relationship.
Re:A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety o... by viklove on Wednesday May 27, 2020 @03:36PM (#23328761)
My SO was supposed to start med school this fall, and now that's all up in the air. Try to empathize -- yes, the lockdown has only been in effect for a few months, but this pandemic is going to continue for at least a year or two. I'm planning on taking the GMAT in prep for business school next year, and even that is questionable at this point.

When you're in your mid 20s, delaying 6 months to 1 year of your career trajectory can have massive effects. If you already have your life established, you probably don't have the same concerns.

Re:A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety o... by to11mtm on Thursday May 28, 2020 @05:07PM (#23342634)
Yeah this is going to impact things for a while most likely.

When I finished college, the 2008 recession had not happened yet, however there were definitely warning signs in the job market even after I graduated. Many of my friends from college were laid off before or during the downturn, I was stuck in a very dead end job just trying to make ends meet. I wound up not getting a job fully utilizing my degree until I had almost reached 30.

Lots of folks in this area were in similar boats; they aren't starting families until their mid or even later 30s because they had stumbling blocks due to the 2008 crisis.

Re:A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety o... by capsulecorp on Wednesday May 27, 2020 @02:59AM (#23320155)
Shutdown happened mid March, it's been over 2 months.
Re:A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety o... by aianus on Wednesday May 27, 2020 @04:12PM (#23329310)
> Are we supposed to believe that "young people" suddenly get into a tail spin because they have to endure a whole month

They've already basically cancelled college in Canada for September through December. All large classes (so all freshman core classes) will be online and it's doubtful dorms will be open. So that's at least 9 months ruined for high school seniors and college students.

Re:A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety o... by kenneth on Wednesday May 27, 2020 @05:38AM (#23321141)
14-20% unemployment in the matter of months is normal, then?
Re:A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety o... by eli_gottlieb on Wednesday May 27, 2020 @06:02PM (#23330630)
>The US's stay at home orders were issued when? Mid to end of March? That makes it what? About 1 month?

My state issued the stay-at-home advisory around March 15, and lifted it with precautions May 19. That's two months.

Re:A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety o... by closeparen on Wednesday May 27, 2020 @05:18PM (#23330127)
Dating is close contact with people from outside your household. Sometimes several in quick succession. I don't see that becoming safe or legal before full vaccination. The science-fiction timeline for full vaccination is two years. And I hope we in this industry know better than to take the "not physically impossible" timeline on an ambitious technical project as a commitment.

It's possible there will be some kind of compromise involving a longer phone/video-only period, earlier exclusivity, and public policy acceptance of having contact with a small number of people from outside the household. At least I can hope. But nevertheless, this is a uniquely awful time in history to be single.