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Re:Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology by phreack on Monday May 25, 2020 @02:11PM (#23303315)
One of the first things they could do is stop with the dark patterns. The original thread had many people mentioning that deleting an account was a ridiculous process, with a 30-day delay once you managed to start it.
Re:Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology by imheretolearn on Monday May 25, 2020 @02:41PM (#23303610)
To be precise this the email they send you when you request them to delete your account.

"We're processing your request and should be done within 30 days.

We will verify your request using the information associated with your account. Government identification may be required and we may ask you for more information in order to verify your identify.

Any questions? Email us at [email protected]"

They didn't need "government identification" when I signed up for it. Never going back to this site again.

Re:Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology by ammon on Monday May 25, 2020 @02:47PM (#23303670)
Yikes! Was this today? We pushed a fix for this yesterday, but if it's not fixed I need to look into it.
Re:Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology by EGreg on Monday May 25, 2020 @02:59PM (#23303798)
@ammon, I don't know you, but definitely want to give you a hug about damage control.

You built a company that's obviously valuable and lots of people rely on. Now you have a lot of responsibility. You're going through the "trough of sorrow" with respect to a new feature.

This is what inevitably happens when lots of people come to rely on you. The one thing I'd like to say, which may sounds strange at first, is think about why you really need each piece of data.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jan/20/shoshana-...

There is now a growing movement including GDPR and California's privacy laws. You can see how duckduckgo is able to make money by advertising around keywords rather than personal data, etc.

You can help lead this movement, by allowing job candidates to have most of the data encrypted, and only reveal it to companies on a need-to-know basis. Push the point where they reveal it further back, and you'll have less friction for new signups. Every time people are asked for data, they'll already have a good reason: someone wants it. To be clear, that includes the candidate's Name, Age, Gender, and other private info.

Re:Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology by GordonS on Monday May 25, 2020 @03:08PM (#23303884)
How did this happen in the first place?
Re:Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology by milin on Monday May 25, 2020 @03:34PM (#23304128)
Yes. Can confirm this is the case as of 5 mins ago.
Re:Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology by ammon on Monday May 25, 2020 @04:11PM (#23304453)
OK, I just spoke to my co-founder. The functionally was changed yesterday, but the copy was not updated on the confirmation email. The copy will be updated in a few minutes.
Re:Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology by dentemple on Monday May 25, 2020 @05:53PM (#23305347)
Thank you for being on top of this.
Re:Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology by ammon on Monday May 25, 2020 @04:08PM (#23304431)
This is bad. Calling our eng team now. We'll have a fix out ASAP.
Re:Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology by ammon on Monday May 25, 2020 @02:46PM (#23303658)
Yeah... we made this better yesterday (removed the delay and the request for ID). It was totally a dark pattern. We built the initial deletion process right after GDPR passed. We were thinking about it mostly from a legal perspective then, and had not reviewed it since.
Re:Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology by GordonS on Monday May 25, 2020 @03:10PM (#23303895)
But this makes no sense. Why would you legally need someone's ID to delete their account, but not to create it?
Re:Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology by aaanotherhnfolk on Monday May 25, 2020 @03:50PM (#23304277)
GDPR devalued PII-stores, and companies tried really hard to only let the value drop on the European portion of their data. Requiring ID is a way to discourage and even deny deletion requests in other countries.

These constraints are walked back almost immediately in practice, once companies learn that requiring a human touch for a deletion flow is not worth the hassle.

I think "legal" here meant what's the bare minimum to respect the letter of GDPR law, while not actually implementing a useful delete flow.

Re:Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology by phreack on Monday May 25, 2020 @03:43PM (#23304210)
Thanks for recognizing it. I think it'd be encouraging to see a post mortem detailing the positive changes that came out of this whole ordeal, the sort of user hostile behaviors that you (as a company) recognized from this self reflection, their origins and corrections.
Re:Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology by sah2ed on Monday May 25, 2020 @04:39PM (#23304726)
> Yeah... we made this better yesterday (removed the delay and the request for ID). It was totally a dark pattern. We built the initial deletion process right after GDPR passed. We were thinking about it mostly from a legal perspective then, and had not reviewed it since.

Appreciate the honesty here by admitting that account deletion relies on dark patterns, but it brings up two salient questions regarding how you approach product development.

1. Internally, do you at least have the equivalent of a “directly responsible individual" (DRI) for the product? It seems no one spoke up in the interests of users against legal’s overzealous decision to tack on lots of friction to the account deletion process?

2. It seems you could have also garnered some push back on the feature from your alumni Slack [0] but didn’t, perhaps due to the rush to ship quickly?

In addition to the changes you’ve pledged as part of rebuilding user trust, hopefully, you & your team will reassess your product development practices to add these checks so that such mistakes are not repeated in future.

[0] @hysan mentions that TB maintains an alumni Slack upthread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23304199

Re:Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology by rantwasp on Monday May 25, 2020 @02:34PM (#23303536)
to be fair it is “up to” 30 days. mine went through in a day. YMMV
Re:Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology by wbronitsky on Monday May 25, 2020 @05:49PM (#23305324)
I wholeheartedly agree. I can not reconcile this apology with the blatant use of dark patterns they employed when trying to roll out this product.