Re:eBay port scans visitors' computers for remote access pro...
by cornishpixels on Monday May 25, 2020 @02:11PM
(#23303312)
Open ports which are accessible to the Internet at large are not "machine internals". If you do not want someone to access your systems, then you should configure your systems to not allow that access.
Re:eBay port scans visitors' computers for remote access pro...
by AnssiH on Monday May 25, 2020 @03:46PM
(#23304234)
They are scanning 127.0.0.1 locally from the browser, so the ports do not need to be internet-accessible.
Re:eBay port scans visitors' computers for remote access pro...
by cornishpixels on Tuesday May 26, 2020 @02:08AM
(#23307922)
They are open ports which are accessible to the Internet at large. Or at least, any site you go to. If you don't like that there are various means to close off those ports to your browsers (Windows firewall, network namespaces, etc).
Re:eBay port scans visitors' computers for remote access pro...
by xook on Monday May 25, 2020 @03:06PM
(#23303862)
"It's not my fault I can break into your house and steal everything"
Re:eBay port scans visitors' computers for remote access pro...
by Fnoord on Tuesday May 26, 2020 @07:37AM
(#23309824)
It is illegal for me to perform a portscan. Why it is legal for eBay, who knows?
Re:eBay port scans visitors' computers for remote access pro...
by nojito on Monday May 25, 2020 @08:45AM
(#23300395)
Visiting a website implies consent.
Re:eBay port scans visitors' computers for remote access pro...
by StochasticSand on Monday May 25, 2020 @08:54AM
(#23300456)
Consent is a voluntary agreement to something. Port scanning is definitely not something I would expect when browsing the web (And based on the amount of upvotes on the last thread, not something most of HN would expect), so how can I be consenting to it without knowing about it?
Re:eBay port scans visitors' computers for remote access pro...
by catalogia on Monday May 25, 2020 @08:59AM
(#23300500)
What percentage of ebay visitors even know what portscanning is? How can somebody consent to something they aren't aware of, don't anticipate, and certainly don't even understand? Your notion of "consent" is an utter joke.
Re:eBay port scans visitors' computers for remote access pro...
by jfoster on Monday May 25, 2020 @01:03PM
(#23302811)
They might not know what port scanning is, but can they agree to "anti-fraud measures?"
Re:eBay port scans visitors' computers for remote access pro...
by catalogia on Monday May 25, 2020 @02:09PM
(#23303288)
Maybe they might agree to such anti-fraud measures, but I don't think they have. I don't consider 'ignoring the terms of use buried at the bottom of the page or in small print' a legitimate form of indicated consent.
Re:eBay port scans visitors' computers for remote access pro...
by jfoster on Monday May 25, 2020 @03:54PM
(#23304311)
Agree with you that simply putting something in the terms of use doesn't necessarily indicate agreement. If they're only doing it to signed in users, then presumably they had the terms put in front of them at some point, but I think your objection is still fair in any case.
To what extent do they need consent to port scan, though? They're not intending to do anything malicious, and in fact (assuming you are the owner of the account that's signed in) they're doing it partly to benefit you. Is there a law against port scanning? Does it affect users in any way?
Re:eBay port scans visitors' computers for remote access pro...
by lern_too_spel on Monday May 25, 2020 @02:21PM
(#23303417)
What percentage of eBay users know what an IP address is?
Re:eBay port scans visitors' computers for remote access pro...
by heinrich5991 on Monday May 25, 2020 @08:48AM
(#23300411)
Not in the GDPR.
Re:eBay port scans visitors' computers for remote access pro...
by mschuster91 on Monday May 25, 2020 @08:59AM
(#23300502)
GDPR allows "necessary" data processing for "legitimate interests". IANAL but I believe a non-damaging portscan to check for security issues to be allowed. Especially as eBay has the legitimate interest to ward off fraud - and customers have the legitimate interest to have their accounts protected.
Re:eBay port scans visitors' computers for remote access pro...
by HenryBemis on Monday May 25, 2020 @11:22AM
(#23301978)
> non-damaging protscan
Tell that to every corporation on Earth, especially to Banks, that "port scanning your perimeter is an innocent thing". Tell that your employer as well and do tell us what's your job status afterwards.
(I am not downvoting the utterly silly grey comments - I want them to be visible to a) ;)
Re:eBay port scans visitors' computers for remote access pro...
by TehCorwiz on Monday May 25, 2020 @09:04AM
(#23300551)
Then they need to disclose that behavior. Because my firewall marks portscans as a malicious activity.
Re:eBay port scans visitors' computers for remote access pro...
by rocqua on Monday May 25, 2020 @09:19AM
(#23300712)
Since the portscan happens clientside on 127.0.0.1 I doubt your firewall will be able to notice the portscan.
Re:eBay port scans visitors' computers for remote access pro...
by mschuster91 on Monday May 25, 2020 @10:04AM
(#23301218)
That depends if you use IPv4 with NAT like almost everyone on a residential Internet uplink or IPv6 with a public routed address...
Re:eBay port scans visitors' computers for remote access pro...
by zaarn on Monday May 25, 2020 @10:20AM
(#23301384)
127.0.0.1 (aka localhost) isn't affected by your NAT setup. Your browser initiates this scan on the local loopback device, so the traffic will never even leave your computer (even on linux, it's somewhat difficult to get it to route 127.0.0.1 to another computer and it'll break a lot of applications in the process or make them insecure).
IPv6 with a public routed address still means there is a firewall, just like with NATv4. NATv4 just also has a NAT router with that firewall.
But why should a user have to subject their machine internals to inspection by eBay? And, without their consent.