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Re:Grieving for Apple by vessenes on Friday May 22, 2020 @07:20PM (#23278226)
I'm sure there's a word coined for these 'death of Apple' posts.

It is true that my 2020 Macbook Pro 16 is not as much better than the competition as my 2011 Macbook Air was.

But it is still definitely the best laptop I've ever owned. I keep my laptops, and I can reach for whichever one I want: 2011, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2018 in Air, 13", 15" and now 16" form factors, and I choose the 2020. I also daily reject a number of windows and Chromebook pieces of hardware in favor of the MBP16.

When I don't choose it, I most often choose my iPad pro at times or my iPhone.

A thorough and hard ecosystem-level look at realistic competitors just doesn't turn up anything that even comes close in terms of just "working".

Probably the closest would be an XPS developer running Ubuntu, but that is a completely different experience than the 'it just works' world I get to live in with my Macbook. And, by "it just works", I include a decent package manager with homebrew, a very solid neovim or spacemacs development environment, a fully working highdpi environment without 'quirks', ... the list goes on. And, Windows has no Unix underneath it plus it contains ads in the start menu. For me, it's just not a serious option for real work.

In all, I'd say that most people agree with me; the market seems to prefer this hardware.

Re:Grieving for Apple by mortenjorck on Friday May 22, 2020 @08:21PM (#23278614)
> I'm sure there's a word coined for these 'death of Apple' posts.

I’m not aware of a term, but I’ve observed two distinct variations, and they’re hardly exclusive to Apple commenters. They are “<successful company> is doomed” and “<successful company> lost me as a customer.”

While the two often share points of contention, the former always makes the case that these points constitute a blind spot that will lead to the company’s downfall, while the latter focuses on how these points are at odds with their own needs or preferences.

Valid as any of their arguments may be, the focus of these pieces invariably seems to be companies that go on to greater successes, in spite of these supposed blind spots or losing a subset of vocal customers. Somehow “Blackberry is doomed” never caught on as a genre, while Apple’s doom never seems to go out of fashion.

Re:Grieving for Apple by 0xDEEPFAC on Friday May 22, 2020 @08:30PM (#23278666)
I think he addresses the irony that their products are no good, but still they will continue to do good business:

"Apple isn’t going to lose because something better came along; it is going to lose because it shat the bed repeatedly for so many years that people like me are no longer going to want to sleep with it. " ... "Somehow, the fact that this "loss" isn’t actually going to hurt their bottom line in any significant way makes it all the more tragic. Apple will continue to rake in billions selling its overpriced portable devices — which surely bring as much suffering and ennui to the world as they do pleasure — while folks like me that have owned Macs for literally decades (since 1994 in my case), just want to craft beautiful and useful things, move off the platform."

Re:Grieving for Apple by jagger27 on Friday May 22, 2020 @08:08PM (#23278549)
> I'm sure there's a word coined for these 'death of Apple' posts.

Post-Jobsism, maybe?

For me the saddest part of modern Apple decline is software. Sure, they made some really horrible hardware blunders but on the whole the hardware is what keeps the company alive, and no one can compete. Little things, like HiDPI string you along year after year, but at the same time things like SIP chip away at your patience.

My 16” is a big upgrade from my 2017 15”, and I have very few complaints with the 8-core, 32GB model.

Re:Grieving for Apple by tinus_hn on Saturday May 23, 2020 @03:42AM (#23280836)
It was the same when Jobs was around. If you want to read takedowns of these pieces read The Macalope:

https://www.macworld.com/column/macalope/

Re:Grieving for Apple by itsraining on Friday May 22, 2020 @07:54PM (#23278462)
My 2020 MacBook Pro 16 crashes frequently when it goes to sleep. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/251223766

This has been a downgrade for me.

Re:Grieving for Apple by wilkowskidom on Friday May 22, 2020 @07:56PM (#23278474)
I had the same. Disabling power nap did it for me. If this doesn’t help I read disabling graphic switching does it.

But yeah it’s redicules that We have to deal with this on a $3k laptop

Re:Grieving for Apple by blondin on Friday May 22, 2020 @08:28PM (#23278650)
hold on, disabling power nap won't fixes the auto log outs. it's a (new?) security setting.

one sec...

alright okay. for anyone having the issue, you have to go to your "security & privacy" -> click on padlock -> enter password -> click on "advanced". in the sheet disable "Log out after X min of inactivity".

Re:Grieving for Apple by mns on Saturday May 23, 2020 @02:32AM (#23280486)
Wow, thanks for this. I thought that I might have a hardware problem, as a couple of times as I wake the laptop, it looks like it restarted, but did not have the time to check it as I mostly use my work laptop currently.
Re:Grieving for Apple by musicale on Saturday May 23, 2020 @07:42PM (#23287669)
> I'm sure there's a word coined for these 'death of Apple' posts.

Apple Death Knell Counter https://www.macobserver.com/features/death-knell/

"Apple has been declared dead 71 times since April, 1995."

...make that 72.

Re:Grieving for Apple by danlugo92 on Friday May 22, 2020 @11:27PM (#23279620)
> I include a decent package manager with homebrew

It it didn't come out of the box then it is not "just works" isn't it? heheh

Ubuntu is just-works too now. No apple-level HiDPI though.

However bad the lack of ports and butterfly keyboards are (which is now fixed). Nothing comes close to the hardware or the HiDPI handling in macbooks.

Re:Grieving for Apple by nailer on Friday May 22, 2020 @08:34PM (#23278688)
> And, Windows has no Unix underneath it plus it contains ads in the start menu.

And macOS has popup ads. And Windows has apt-get which has far more packages than homebrew. Windows keyboards never went through a multi-year period of being awful. The OS supports touch. And the OS maker isn't trying to tell laptop purchasers not to buy a laptop.

Re:Grieving for Apple by troughway on Friday May 22, 2020 @07:39PM (#23278361)
>Windows has no Unix underneath it plus it contains ads in the start menu. For me, it's just not a serious option for real work.

The start menu can be customized to turn all of that off. If you want to pin your own things to it, you can.

WSL2 is going to drop soon. Looks like a good move by Microsoft.

What kind of work do you do exactly that disqualifies Windows from being a "serious option for real work"?

Re:Grieving for Apple by jolux on Friday May 22, 2020 @07:43PM (#23278386)
It has telemetry that you can’t turn off without hacking the registry. And I use macOS because I don’t have to tell the OS to get its bullshit ads out of the main menu, because that’s not even a supported feature.
Re:Grieving for Apple by ulisesrmzroche on Saturday May 23, 2020 @04:37AM (#23281193)
That doesn’t stop anyone from doing “real” work. Stop trying to pass your overly nerdy preferences as universal.
Re:Grieving for Apple by jolux on Saturday May 23, 2020 @09:57AM (#23282966)
That’s a cop out. It doesn’t stop me from doing real work but I shouldn’t have to deal with it. I don’t think anyone asked for ads in Windows, it doesn’t take a nerd to want something I paid for to not include nagware.
Re:Grieving for Apple by nailer on Friday May 22, 2020 @08:37PM (#23278700)
The parent was talking about ads, which are obviously completely different than telemetry. But here's Apple's telemetry policy:

https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/

See 'Collection and Use of Non-Personal Information'

Re:Grieving for Apple by jolux on Friday May 22, 2020 @10:05PM (#23279182)
I see the telemetry as coterminous with the ads: something Microsoft is doing because they know their customers are trapped. My day job has been line of business .NET for two years, and my personal machine is a Mac. The amount of crap I have to slog through on Windows is insulting and ridiculous. Every time I think about getting a new personal machine to run Windows I remember all that crap and the thought passes. A real shame, too. MS is making all the right moves technologically speaking right now. Thankfully my latest machine has Enterprise and our AD disables most of it.

Apple’s analytics are not comparable.

Re:Grieving for Apple by nailer on Saturday May 23, 2020 @05:44AM (#23281574)
> The amount of crap I have to slog through on Windows is insulting and ridiculous.

Really? I spent two minutes removing some default start menu items. My mac continually sent me pop ups insisting I use the Apple version of every product.

Re:Grieving for Apple by jolux on Saturday May 23, 2020 @09:59AM (#23282985)
I had to jump through a load of hoops to get Windows to stop nagging me to use OneDrive. What popups does the Mac send you? I’ve never seen one like you say.
Re:Grieving for Apple by nailer on Saturday May 23, 2020 @02:02PM (#23284997)
Do you use Chrome? You should at minimum see popups advertising Safari.
Re:Grieving for Apple by jolux on Saturday May 23, 2020 @02:19PM (#23285115)
the first time I opened it I got one asking me if I wanted to make it my default web browser, which said that Safari was currently the default. But that’s not a nag, it will happen whenever a process requests to become the default browser. Other than that, no. I do use uBlock Origin though so if it’s stuff on the web I likely don’t see it. What are you seeing?
Re:Grieving for Apple by nailer on Sunday May 24, 2020 @07:22AM (#23290780)
2018 MBP, Catalina, popups from Apple in the OS (not the browser) saying I should use Safari every few months.
Re:Grieving for Apple by jolux on Sunday May 24, 2020 @10:20AM (#23291700)
Huh. That sucks. It seems like some people do have this issue: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/153379/how-do-you-...

I honestly don’t see it on my machine though.

Re:Grieving for Apple by qubex on Saturday May 23, 2020 @01:47AM (#23280273)
> coterminous

Ooh, new word. Haven’t seen a new word in months!

Re:Grieving for Apple by danlugo92 on Friday May 22, 2020 @11:31PM (#23279639)
Oh c'mon now.

> The start menu can be customized to turn all of that off. If you want to pin your own things to it, you can.

Shouldn't be there in the first place, including all of the other advertising and telemetry.

> WSL2 is going to drop soon. Looks like a good move by Microsoft.

It'll be always a hack. Will never beat native Unix.

> What kind of work do you do exactly that disqualifies Windows from being a "serious option for real work"?

WSL is a hack, NTFS chokes on small files (web dev), advertising and telemetry.

Also, you're computer randomly shutting off and locking itself up, jesus christ what the fuck (TBH MacOS also has this but it's 100x easier to disable).

Re:Grieving for Apple by kyriakos on Saturday May 23, 2020 @01:22AM (#23280138)
If you put it like that whole Linux is a hack and that's a good thing, that's what makes it good.