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Re:U.S. arrests former Green Beret, son, in connection with ... by loeg on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @03:49PM (#23250968)
The numbers aren't quite apples to apples; real military don't pay income tax, while private citizens ostensibly owe taxes earned anywhere in the world. Additionally, the tax rate on contract work is higher than one might expect from W-2 work. In practice, maybe some military contractors illegally evade taxes. I am wiling to believe take-home net of legal taxes owed is higher for private contractors, but the gap is smaller than illustrated by those figures.
Re:U.S. arrests former Green Beret, son, in connection with ... by dcposch on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @04:06PM (#23251152)
I think hairsplitting pre- vs post-tax income in this context is a distraction.

$20k/month is a quarter mil a year. Worst case, you live in a high tax state, you might pay $100k in total tax, state + federal + local.

That leaves a take-home of $140k/year. Still almost 3x as much as a soldier making $50k/year.

The larger point is that, yet again, we have a govt bureaucracy handling a budget in hamfisted ways. (Big rigid hierarchy >> underpay recruits >> wow, the org is bloated and still expensive >> we can save money by hiring contractors.) The bureaucracy is is callous to the incentives they're creating.

If it's a much better deal to be a private military contractor vs a soldier, what does that do for morale? For cohesion? For career trajectories? (Get trained, quit asap to go private with a big pay bump...)

This general pattern has a deep historical roots. Many countries at various points in history have hollowed out their formal military by shifting to hired mercenaries. That pattern has a bad track record.

Re:U.S. arrests former Green Beret, son, in connection with ... by loeg on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @04:37PM (#23251471)
I think I agree with you about everything you've mentioned, except that I continue to believe post-tax real income is a better frame of comparison than comparing post-tax (and missing BAH and hazard pay) to pre-tax.

(Additionally, it is not clear to me that GP's example numbers for private contractors were actually modal, or just some high numbers he heard about.)

Re:U.S. arrests former Green Beret, son, in connection with ... by thatfunkymunki on Thursday May 21, 2020 @06:14PM (#23266121)
military does indeed pay income tax, i was on active duty for 8 years and filed every year. The tax advantage is just that the housing allowance is nontaxable, because it can be optionally provided as a house on base instead in a lot of cases.
Re:U.S. arrests former Green Beret, son, in connection with ... by loeg on Thursday May 21, 2020 @06:35PM (#23266324)
I suppose I should have qualified that with "don't pay much income tax?"

Depending on your rank and what your active duty is like, much can be excluded.[1]

> Combat pay: Compensation for active service while in a combat zone

Combat zones: much of the middle east, including relatively stable countries that aren't Afghanistan or Iraq, as well as the Balkans.[2]

> Enlisted member, warrant officer, or commissioned warrant officer. If you are an enlisted member, warrant officer, or commissioned warrant officer, none of your combat pay is included in your income for tax purposes.

For officers, the exclusion has a threshold. That threshold is:

> For 2019, the applicable amount is $8,803.50 per month

Or $105,600/yr income not subject to taxes.

In addition to BAH being excluded as you mentioned, there's also BAS, BAS, OHA, other housing benefits, moving and travel, healthcare, all not subject to income taxes.

These are all sources of income (in an accounting, not IRS sense) civilians would need to pay taxes on. As a result, active military pay a much lower tax rate on their income than civilians with the same pre-tax income.

[1]: https://www.irs.gov/publications/p3#en_US_2018_publink100017...

[2]: https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/combat-zones

Re:U.S. arrests former Green Beret, son, in connection with ... by thatfunkymunki on Saturday May 23, 2020 @05:34PM (#23286692)
Majority of people are in a combat zone for about 6mo at a time, and not a lot of them ever end up going at all. I never was selected for any tax exempt duty in my 8 years as an enlisted member of the USAF, and anecdotally know a lot of people who over a 4-6 year (usual single enlistment length) career who either only were deployed once or never at all.