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Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by GordonS on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:51PM (#23226807)
I really just don't understand this sentiment.

Your taxes pay for a lot of things that you don't necessarily benefit from directly at a precise point in time, but which you or your family will quite possibly will at some point in your life, and unquestionably benefit the society you live in - roads, bridges, libraries, schools, medical care...

Even if you don't want to have kids, you wouldn't even be here if your parent didn't!

Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by viklove on Monday May 18, 2020 @05:39PM (#23228681)
What if I don't want to be here? Not like I got a say in the matter, I was dragged into this world completely without my consent.

Also, I'd argue society would benefit if everyone had fewer children. We'd all be much happier and better off if the world population was half what it was today, I'd wager. We should strive to stabilize the population, not grow it endlessly.

Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by GordonS on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @05:57AM (#23233126)
Do you have anything to back this up though? My understanding is that too many children is only really an issue in developing countries.

Also, not enough children can be problematic - just look at Japan, which has an aging population and not enough people to work.

Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by viklove on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @02:47PM (#23238560)
Japan has a problem with a declining population. I'm suggesting that we strive to maintain a stable population, not grow it endlessly or allow it to shrink. Both present issues.

Ideally we would have done this when the word was at about 2B, but it's still better to start at 8B than 14B.

Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by GordonS on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:23PM (#23238986)
The point about Japan is not so much that it has a declining population, but that it has a decline population of working age people.

And my point about the US is the same[0]. Rather than aiming to keep the population size stable, I'd think goals should be around the size of the working age population, and around a level of growth that's required for the US economy to grow.

I do take your point about the number of people on the planet, but I don't think it's really an issue outside of developing nations.

[0] https://eig.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Heartland-Visas-R...

Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by viklove on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:53PM (#23239360)
Can't grow perpetually, can you? So why should we try to hit the max before we stabilize?

Basing an economy on an ever-growing population is foolish. We should plan better than that.

Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by GordonS on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:59PM (#23239436)
I didn't mean to grow in perpetuity; I meant firstly a growth rate that replenishes the working age population, and secondly that makes sense for the size, density and economic state of the country.
Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by paulcole on Monday May 18, 2020 @08:24PM (#23229961)
> Even if you don't want to have kids, you wouldn't even be here if your parent didn't!

I could be so lucky!

I would agree with you if more people having kids was a benefit to society. If anything, because of climate change, we should be incentivizing people to not have kids.

Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by GordonS on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @05:56AM (#23233120)
> I could be so lucky!

Heh, so, what I meant to say here was more like:

"Even if you don't have kids, you wouldn't even be here if your parents didn't!"

Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by paulcole on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @10:15AM (#23235077)
I knew what you meant. The "I could be so lucky!" was in reference to me not being here.