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Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by jbk on Monday May 18, 2020 @05:00AM (#23220065)
I've been working on VideoLAN (VLC, x264, other...) for most of my professional life.

For a long time, I had other jobs, working at startups around video, and doing VLC at nights and weekends and holidays.

And now, I built a couple of companies around Open Source multimedia, where we do consulting, integration, custom development around software, applications development, licensing, support and so on.

Those companies are now paying around 25 FTE. It's not too bad, but not impressive either...

The employees are working most of their time on improvements of the open source software, working for clients is a minority of their time.

But I've worked a lot, and by a lot, I really mean a fuckton... And the rewards are not big.

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by jlengrand on Monday May 18, 2020 @07:50AM (#23221165)
Man, VLC, you and the 25 FTE you created in a sustainable way are much more impressive to me than any Uber, Facebook or other hockey stick growth giant. You folks rock, and thanks for that
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by koheripbal on Monday May 18, 2020 @05:24PM (#23228552)
Agreed - and we don't do enough to support groups like this.

I would totally by VLC branded swag. Coffee cup, underwear, "I supported VLC and all I got was this t-shirt"... etc... Or maybe stuff more on brand, like bluetooth ear buds or something?

Lots of good will to be had by such a giant fan-base.

EDIT: Looks like they're already thinking about that. Hope they launch before xmas!

http://www.videolan.org/goodies.html#clothing

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by nojvek on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @01:24AM (#23231514)
Would pay quite a bit for VLC branded underwear. That cone is a solid brand. Haha!
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by ddevault on Monday May 18, 2020 @09:02AM (#23221762)
25 FTEs is an incredible achievement, and you should be very proud. The rewards are enormous - VideoLAN has a massive impact on human culture, more so than 99% of all businesses. Taking on VC to "grow" may be difficult, but is it something you really need to do? What you've built is amazing, and if you can sustain it at its current size, you'd be doing wonderful work. Endlessly chasing growth is a fool's errand, and you'll probably end up making compromises you never wanted to in order to get there.

I think one piece of wisdom I'd share about sustainable FOSS for this thread is: be happy with a smaller size. A FOSS business is probably not going to be a unicorn, but hey, that's okay, isn't it? If you're building software you and your users love, and you're putting food on your table, then you've got something to be proud of.

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by umvi on Monday May 18, 2020 @09:45AM (#23222207)
> 25 FTEs is an incredible achievement, and you should be very proud.

I know this is a stupid question, but I tried googling and it wasn't obvious... what does FTE stand for? "Full Time Equivalent?" Does that mean they are paying for 25 full time employees?

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by Closi on Monday May 18, 2020 @10:07AM (#23222477)
I usually take it to mean full time equivalent...

It usually means either 25 full time employees, or a number of part time and full time staff that equal the paid hours of 25 full time employees.

e.g. 50 part time employees that work half the typical working week would be 25 fte

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by ddevault on Monday May 18, 2020 @09:49AM (#23222254)
Full-time employee, I presume.
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by sgummaluri on Monday May 18, 2020 @10:04AM (#23222428)
Yes, FTE means Full Time Emoloyee
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by mkl on Monday May 18, 2020 @10:10PM (#23230648)
Not exactly, it's "Full Time Equivalent". If two employees are working half-time, together they make up 1 FTE, but not 1 full time employee (because there are two of them).
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by airstrike on Monday May 18, 2020 @11:26AM (#23223531)
It's full-time employee in this context, but if you ever need to search for an acronym definition again in the future try

https://www.acronymfinder.com/FTE.html

;-)

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by hckr_news on Monday May 18, 2020 @10:53PM (#23230869)
In my line of work, its full time engineers.
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by xnyan on Monday May 18, 2020 @09:11AM (#23221854)
15 years ago I was on a date with a wonderful young lady. We had a picnic and I brought my (at the time) very modern projector to watch a movie, projected on a bedsheet in the woods. Windows Media Player refused to play the DVD. No internet access at all. I thought I had failed...until I remembered that I had installed VLC. Opened the VTS.VOB on the DVD directly and boom, the video started and played back without a single hitch. I was a tech hero that day.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart for VLC!

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by andrewjrhill on Monday May 18, 2020 @09:15AM (#23221905)
How did you power the projector? Did you drag a generator into the forest too?
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by saluki on Monday May 18, 2020 @04:55PM (#23228255)
When the Blair Witch Project came out, my Uncle took his son and a few of his friends (Jr. High Age) out in to the woods setup a generator and a TV and they watched the movie in the woods at night. My cousin said they were so scared, but his friends still talk about it to this day when they get together.
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by aasasd on Monday May 18, 2020 @11:47AM (#23223909)
My bet is on ‘a car’. There are converters to power 220/110V appliances off a car battery.
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by huntertwo on Monday May 18, 2020 @09:35AM (#23222091)
He busted out the old hand crank projector of course.
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by code_duck on Monday May 18, 2020 @09:50AM (#23222273)
I'm envisioning a UPS. Good question.
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by xnyan on Monday May 18, 2020 @09:55PM (#23230552)
I had a car, as others suggested.
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by karolist on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:18PM (#23226285)
Inverter type, for example Honda 10i is portable and not that noisy :)
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by venatiodecorus on Monday May 18, 2020 @12:24PM (#23224510)
thank you hacker news, asking the real questions here. i'll be very upset if we don't get the answer to this question. we must know every detail.
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by fit2rule on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:22PM (#23226359)
Ha, I had the same experience on a date with my brand new tiBook in 2001 .. wouldn't play the DVD .. but VLC, which had been released around the same time as the tiBook, did though!

In my case, we'd carried my tiBook up to the lawn on the front of the Hollyhock house in LA (Frank Lloyd Wright house), and watched Blade Runner on a blanket on the grass with the house in the background, as that glorious California sun set in the distance. My date was most impressed that we were having an outside movie date in that way ... it was pretty neat to have such freedom on a picnic date. (She wasn't as impressed when I checked my email over the Ricochet modem I had though, even though it was frickin' awesome at the time..)

Been a VLC paid subscriber for almost 20 years now, as a consequence.

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by xnyan on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @07:01AM (#23233505)
Look at that, we have a shared mac-windows love story...kind of!
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by zozbot234 on Monday May 18, 2020 @06:22AM (#23220577)
> Those companies are now paying around 25 FTE. It's not too bad, but not impressive either

That's actually really impressive, that software of such outstanding quality can be built and maintained so efficiently. It means that great things could be achieved if people bothered to fund FLOSS more, or if effective funding models (a combination of paying for ongoing support + crowdfunding for general development, most likely) became more widespread.

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by rbultje on Monday May 18, 2020 @07:42AM (#23221110)
This response reminds me of: https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1258531455220609025

Opensource/free software powers most of the stuff we take for granted. The software and their maintainers are equally taken-for-granted.

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by generalpass on Monday May 18, 2020 @08:14AM (#23221340)
I agree that the vast majority of people take a lot of open source for granted.

However, a lot of open source projects are, frankly, extremely rude to users. Instead of some copy-paste "kindly please direct your question to this resource over here" the users get "GET THE @#%% OUT OF HERE STUPID N00b" and this is from people directly with the project (e.g., domain email address).

If you think this doesn't impact your donations and recognition, please rethink that a little bit further.

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by tomxor on Monday May 18, 2020 @08:27AM (#23221454)
Please remember: each open source project is a different person, sometimes literally. That they share licensing ideologies does not necessarily mean the people producing them behave the same way. That said it's fairly well known that the pressure of hoards of obligated users on popular projects can easily push the most patient of authors over the edge.

As some anecdata: My experience in various open source projects as a submitter of bugs, fixes and features has been welcomed with respect and understanding even when we don't agree or I turn out to be the ignorant one.

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by generalpass on Monday May 18, 2020 @09:06AM (#23221801)
My comment is specifically regarding users, not contributors, and the intent is not to generalize across all projects (though many users will do this anyway).

I have seen projects where devs are completely behind a wall, and that's fine, but I don't understand make something for people to use, free of charge, get angry at when lots of people use it and have questions about using it.

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by prepend on Monday May 18, 2020 @08:27AM (#23221452)
I’d like to see some nice analysis on this because my experience was completely the opposite.

I don’t work on open source much (a few lines over 20 years), but the only patch I made was super welcoming and a dev bent over backwards to teach me how to diff and submit patches. I just assumed this was common.

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by amenod on Monday May 18, 2020 @08:56AM (#23221712)
This is also my (limited) experience, though one does find... less than welcoming maintainers. :) It depends a lot in how you approach the project though. Being humble and careful not to waste maintainers' time more than necessary goes a long way. Remember, it's their free time they are donating to you, so make sure that you went extra mile to really prove that the bug is in the project and not in your code.
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by generalpass on Monday May 18, 2020 @09:23AM (#23221981)
> Remember, it's their free time they are donating to you, so make sure that you went extra mile to really prove that the bug is in the project and not in your code.

This is kind of what I'm trying to address, which is the belief that the creator of the project is owed something and thus also free to be a jerk. Most users are not going to donate money, but some of us do so on occasion. I usually donate when a project is in dire straits just because I don't have a lot of cash floating around for myself, though over the decades this has added up to thousands of dollars donated.

However, when I see a project has been rude to users, or even actual experience see a project desperate for funds that was rude to me, I don't donate a thing no matter if I use it a lot. I don't believe in treating users like doormats and won't support it.

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by cycloptic on Monday May 18, 2020 @09:39AM (#23222135)
Open source means that you can pay anyone you want to work on it. You don't have to donate to the original maintainer. Although if you like the person and they are clearly stressed out and suffering and lashing out at people, it may be in your interest to help them deal with that first, rather than ignoring them and letting the project flounder. If you don't have the bandwidth to give money then that's fine, you can help in other ways. But I don't think it is wise to dismiss maintainer stress and burnout, or view it as a personal attack against you. Unless of course, you are burnt out yourself and need some help too, in which case, there's a lot you could do, but you probably have heard all the generic advice already. Personally I always try to remember that the goal is to see the project succeed, NOT to try to punish someone for perceived bad behavior.
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by alpaca128 on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:09AM (#23232134)
The opposite is the real problem: Employees being forced to be friendly and accomodating to every customer who thinks they're entitled to feel like royalty because they're paying a few dollars for their drink.

FOSS projects are just a reversal of the roles. They let the creators react more honestly. You're not a paying customer, so don't expect to be treated as if you were the developer's boss.

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by unityByFreedom on Monday May 18, 2020 @05:54AM (#23220397)
IMO building a sustainable business on open source is more impressive than getting $x million for an AI startup. I doubt all of HN sees it this way but if you’re happy with what you do and what you get out of it then that’s what matters most.
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by londons_explore on Monday May 18, 2020 @05:31AM (#23220255)
Part of your reward is that traffic cone will stay in people's minds for decades or maybe centuries longer than the products of most of us here.
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by Melting_Harps on Monday May 18, 2020 @05:42AM (#23220327)
> Part of your reward is that traffic cone will stay in people's minds for decades or maybe centuries longer than the products of most of us here.

> VLC is like a part of culture at this point.

Pretty much, as soon as he said he worked on VLC I saw the cone in my head, and then remembered how many times I installed into people's machines so they would stop having codec issues using default software.

Thanks for working a fuckton, OP!

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by jbk on Monday May 18, 2020 @07:54AM (#23221201)
> Part of your reward is that traffic cone

It's our secret goal: the cone religion! :)

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by AdrianB1 on Monday May 18, 2020 @06:26AM (#23220606)
I tried to pay part of the rent with something like that and it never worked. What am I doing wrong?
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by saagarjha on Monday May 18, 2020 @06:39AM (#23220701)
You’re assuming that all rewards must be legal tender.
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by Arnt on Monday May 18, 2020 @06:56AM (#23220820)
How do you think that remark sounds to people who actually work with maintaining open source, and who have a rent to pay?
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by inimino on Monday May 18, 2020 @07:13AM (#23220949)
Like the truth?
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by Arnt on Friday May 29, 2020 @04:26PM (#23355082)
This is the year 2020.

That's also true, but does that sentence sound like the truth? Is truth and/or accuracy the most important trait of the sentence, or even a significant trait?

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by londons_explore on Monday May 18, 2020 @09:58AM (#23222369)
In a way you can pay the rent with it...

As soon as you're famous enough in a particular field, companies will hire you just for your name. Doesn't matter if you don't do much useful or only work one day a month - they'll still pay you decently to have your name associated with their brand and products.

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by ghaff on Monday May 18, 2020 @11:52AM (#23223998)
That is utterly terrible advice if you actually believe it. Yes, a Google might hire some (very) well-known figures primarily to be public spokespeople. But you can't seriously think that companies are lining up to hire mini-celebs in various tech circles to come on board just to hang around the office now and then.
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by oars on Monday May 18, 2020 @06:59AM (#23220840)
VLC has brought joy to my life and many others I know.

In our short time in this world you literally helped make my and many others' lives better.

Thank you.

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by anticsapp on Monday May 18, 2020 @08:20AM (#23221403)
I love VLC. You're a lead on that? Cool.
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by atonse on Monday May 18, 2020 @09:10AM (#23221834)
VLC is one of those rare pieces of software that seems to play every single thing you throw at it, and just do it smoothly.

I know whenever something fails, "VLC will play it" – and that's the advice I give if someone asks me how to open a file that isn't mp4, etc.

Thanks for an awesome project and I am actually happy to hear that you have 25 people and what seems to be a sustainable business.

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by alpaca128 on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:13AM (#23232158)
VLC will sometimes even play damaged files that other players may not recognise as videos anymore. It definitely saved me a ton of troubleshooting within my family. Install VLC and the number of problems decreases noticably.
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by james_s_tayler on Monday May 18, 2020 @05:16AM (#23220163)
>But I've worked a lot, and by a lot, I really mean a fuckton... And the rewards are not big

VLC is like a part of culture at this point.

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by dijit on Monday May 18, 2020 @06:53AM (#23220803)
Not sure if it means anything, but if I met you then you'd have unlimited guest time on my spare bed, and that would include food of course.

Might not be much, but community respect and appreciation is something, it will definitely get you fed and beer'd.

Although ideally you'd want to have the money not the admiration. :\

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by jbk on Monday May 18, 2020 @08:15AM (#23221350)
> Although ideally you'd want to have the money not the admiration. :\

Admiration is un-valuable. :D

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by madballster on Monday May 18, 2020 @07:33AM (#23221071)
How is giving 25 people bread, water and shelter and most of all a job they enjoy not impressive?
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by jbk on Monday May 18, 2020 @07:53AM (#23221195)
Because, as soon as I wanted to raise money from VC to grow the business, it was very difficult to get anything.

And we have a lot of research and projects, that we never get released, and other people use the tech, rewrap it and get the $$ :)

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by unityByFreedom on Monday May 18, 2020 @07:52PM (#23229772)
You bring unique expertise to your clients that noone else can match. In these VC convos and elsewhere, consider focusing on your strengths rather than pointing out how others are reaping rewards for your work. The fact that others get $$ for wrapping your work and advertising it can be viewed as a positive thing; it's a contribution to society even if you don't get a cut of every transaction. Of course you want some cut, and more would help you grow. You yourself probably have a better bead on avenues where open source or VLC is likely to succeed than anyone.

VC funding, I hear, is more about the people than the ideas. It can also be cliquish. It might be worth asking a friend who's received such funding for some constructive criticism on your approach. If you don't have one, make one.

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by madballster on Monday May 18, 2020 @08:42AM (#23221579)
I commend you for your personal ambition, but sometimes getting a different perspective can be a good thing. Your complaint basically is that you are having a hard time getting a VC investment for your (otherwise perfectly fine) running business that feeds a lot of mouths and - while not making a fortune - makes money.

On a certain level that's akin to a tenured professor with a perfectly fine University career complaining he has little chance of ever being awarded the Nobel Prize.

Ambition is great, but do not let it cloud your sense of pride in your achievements. If you're not content being 90th percentile, what gives you confidence you'd be happier being 99.9th percentile?

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by jcampbell1 on Monday May 18, 2020 @09:32AM (#23222065)
> On a certain level that's akin to a tenured professor

You clearly haven’t run a small business. It’s more like being a dairy farmer where if you ever fail to make hay, every thing dies. There are good times and bad, but you are never free from the sword of Damocles.

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by madballster on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:27PM (#23239032)
I have, for over 10 years. Nobody ever promised me as an entrepreneur it would be a fun and secure ride start to finish. It wasn't, yet I am very happy and content.

For those who do not like the "risky" nature of it there are stable careers to choose from with monthly paychecks and health insurance.

Who ever guaranteed each and every hardworking software/tech business owner a $100 million exit event handed to them on a silver plate by a VC firm? Entitlement is not a path to happiness.

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by victords on Monday May 18, 2020 @09:40AM (#23222146)
Exactly my thoughts.
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by stonecharioteer on Monday May 18, 2020 @07:05AM (#23220892)
Holy fuck. You are amaze balls. I once discovered that you can network stream through VLC and this blew my mind. Before VLC I was installing the Media Player Classic everywhere. After VLC, there's nothing I'd rather use.
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by dbeley on Monday May 18, 2020 @06:15AM (#23220534)
> And the rewards are not big.

At least in France you and VideoLAN are generally one of the first replies when someone ask about libre software and opensource in general. But yeah exposure don't pay the bills, unfortunately.

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by freakynit on Monday May 18, 2020 @09:21AM (#23221966)
I love VLC. In fact, we all love VLC! This is one media player software that has never, ever, let me down. Every other player has let me down in one way or the other, but not this. Building a software of such high quality is impressive beyond words. So many thanks to you for this..
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by deeblering4 on Monday May 18, 2020 @10:41AM (#23222894)
First I want to say thank you for taking the harder road and providing such great software to the community.

What are your thoughts about software crowdfunding approaches like patreon “$1 donation per donor, per version release” and similar?

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by dueF7un3 on Monday May 18, 2020 @06:41AM (#23220712)
I wonder : do you have the same engineer turn over than "regular" companies, that is developers leaving after two or three years max?

Everywhere around me, I see companies who expected to go big and profit on IPO failing. Nothing new, but I get the feeling it's getting harder to attract investors in that model (this was already a feeling I had before lockdown).

This kind of company you're building, who focus on profitability from contract work while working on the big picture between two contracts, may just be the most stable kind of company one may build, especially if you happen to have a low turn over.

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by jbk on Monday May 18, 2020 @08:11AM (#23221316)
> I wonder : do you have the same engineer turn over than "regular" companies, that is developers leaving after two or three years max?

We don't. Clearly not. People leaving is very rare.

But also, our recruitment is very different from normal companies. :)

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by dueF7un3 on Monday May 18, 2020 @08:58AM (#23221732)
Nice :) I did expect that much, if only because working on free softwares feels way less pointless than working on yet an other e-commerce company or b2b app fighting to get users through advertisement.

Would you mind telling us more about your recruitment process? I'm not in a hiring position myself, but I guess it would be of value for a lot of people here, giving how turn over is a serious blow for everyone.

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by jbk on Monday May 18, 2020 @09:17AM (#23221935)
> Would you mind telling us more about your recruitment process?

So, in general, I ask 2 main questions:

- talk to me about you, what you like and which project you worked on that you liked.

- a generic question, that can be a bit misleading, on purpose. Like "What is the difference between TCP and UDP, and is HTTP over TCP or UDP?" for webdevs or "What is the =0 in C++ classes headers? Since NULL and 0 are the same, can I use "=0" here?" for C++ devs, or "How would you improve C if you could?"

The first type of questions see if the person truly likes software development, and is not here just because "that's what cool kids do" and that removes a lot of bro-grammer.

The second is more to see the generic culture, and if the person was curious enough to look a bit at the core of the technology they are working on. Because there isn't a yes/no answer, you must discuss.

And also, I need to meet in person. No 1hr phone-call, no white-board, no multiple meetings, no complex CS question that anyone can prepare.

I have one big issue with recruitment process: when I meet people, after those 2 questions, I can know very quickly that I don't want to hire them. If we are in the first 5 minutes of the interview, how can I tell them "no" without being too rude?

Finally, the culture, and the political culture of the community must fit. And unfortunately, sometimes that shows on the resume/introduction mail. But to be honest, it's rarely been an issue, except for one intern once.

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by dueF7un3 on Monday May 18, 2020 @09:53AM (#23222308)
Thanks for sharing!

It sounds like your questions are calibrated to detect if the interviewee is passionate. I totally get that, 15 years ago, it was obvious everyone around was, but those last years I find myself wondering more and more if devs around me didn't get into coding just because "it's a good job", and it looked slightly more interesting than a career in law or commerce.

> I have one big issue with recruitment process: when I meet people, after those 2 questions, I can know very quickly that I don't want to hire with them. If we are in the first 5 minutes of the interview, how can I tell them "no" without being too rude?

Been there, I feel the pain :) I had briefly a job as a manager, and I knew it was not for me when I started to panic about how to tell people I won't hire them. Still better than to have to fire them, but damn, finding a proper way to say "you're not good enough" or any other reason is brutal.

Anyway, thanks for taking the time for sharing all of that with us.

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by jbk on Monday May 18, 2020 @10:39AM (#23222859)
> It sounds like your questions are calibrated to detect if the interviewee is passionate.

Yes, passionate, so they will work on something cool, and are going to like it. Not passionate in the sense "I can pressure 60hours from them per week" like some SV startups do.

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by bergstromm466 on Monday May 18, 2020 @08:46AM (#23221628)
> our recruitment is very different from normal companies.

Please could you share a bit about what your recruitment strategies look like? And do you all work remote?

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by rom1v on Monday May 18, 2020 @09:05AM (#23221796)
(I'm an employee at Videolabs)

2~3 years ago, I contacted j-b on IRC and got an interview. This was the first time I used IRC to find a job :)

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by zozbot234 on Monday May 18, 2020 @07:10AM (#23220931)
Yes, that whole "go big or go home" model only ever made sense for highly-scalable, user facing services. Open source development and support is in many ways the polar opposite of that. Even many B2B services don't really make sense as something where "take lots of outside investment" is the focus. And if you do need some sort of one-time big push to develop something, that's what Kickstarter and other crowdfunding models can support most directly.
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by andreareina on Monday May 18, 2020 @06:52AM (#23220797)
You're selling yourself short, 25 FTE is definitely impressive. Major props.
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by zerr on Monday May 18, 2020 @10:35AM (#23222794)
Another thing with successful open source projects is that people dedicate their whole lives to it - don't you think you'd enjoy more if you had worked on lots of different projects, tech, companies, etc... instead of "just" VLC? For how long do you plan to continue working on it? There's a whole world outside video playback - do you happen to think about this time to time?
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by jbk on Monday May 18, 2020 @10:40AM (#23222893)
> don't you think you'd enjoy more if you had worked on lots of different projects, tech, companies, etc... instead of "just" VLC?

Well, to be honest, I'd love to extend what we're doing in VLC to other end-user applications like PDF reader, or the basic apps you have on Android and iOS.

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by ta17711771 on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @05:06AM (#23232845)
Check out the "Simple" series of Android apps. You might find teaming with them could bring a huge boost to both sides!
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by jbk on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @01:15PM (#23237363)
Nice!
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by pabs3 on Friday May 22, 2020 @11:21PM (#23279593)
Do those companies have careers/jobs pages? I'd like to add them to this page:

https://github.com/fossjobs/fossjobs/wiki/resources

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by vnorilo on Monday May 18, 2020 @06:30AM (#23220629)
Sir, you work on a different definition of "impressive" than I.
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by zeroego on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @02:57PM (#23238693)
I've been using VLC for many years. I've donated several times and am very appreciative of VLC's existence. Thank you for doing what you do!
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by Olaf-novice on Monday May 18, 2020 @09:10AM (#23221836)
VLC is really great! Thanks for working on it. Do other oppensource groups have more salaried employees? Is donnations the only way for VLC to make money ?
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by benjoseph on Monday May 18, 2020 @09:12AM (#23221862)
Thanks a ton for all the great work you and the team put in! P.S: Most people I know refer to traffic cones as VLC :D
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by justplay on Monday May 18, 2020 @08:02AM (#23221257)
VLC is really awesome and i really respect your work.

I never said this file wont open in my system, thanks to VLC.

Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by saagarjha on Monday May 18, 2020 @06:39AM (#23220696)
I am extremely impressed that you’ve managed to pay for a team of 25. Congrats!
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by xchip on Monday May 18, 2020 @06:21AM (#23220569)
VLC is awesome, thanks!!!!
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by ousmanedev on Monday May 18, 2020 @07:25AM (#23221017)
Thank you for VLC
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by RedBeetDeadpool on Monday May 18, 2020 @01:54PM (#23225902)
fwiw, I think VLC is absolutetly amazing. Thanks for all the work you put in it.
Re:Ask HN: Dear open source devs how do you sustain yourself by AsyncAwait on Monday May 18, 2020 @06:31AM (#23220643)
Just wanted to say thanks. As someone who would not be where I am today without FLOSS, I really appreciate people like you.