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Re:Walmart Just Launched a Line of Backpacking Gear by nickysielicki on Saturday May 16, 2020 @02:13AM (#23200888)
See also: this $2,000 "Viathon" mountain bike -- a Walmart brand. Expensive for people who just want a bike to ride, but competitive with bikes that cost twice as much. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb-AJc3QL-Q

It's an interesting strategy. The high-end of a lot of hobbies are inflated beyond reason, and I think it's cool that they're taking a stab at that.

Re:Walmart Just Launched a Line of Backpacking Gear by nl on Saturday May 16, 2020 @07:23AM (#23202529)
They do gravel bikes too: https://cyclingtips.com/2020/04/viathon-g-1-grx-600-gravel-b...

It's not really true that they are "competitive" with bikes costing twice as much (unless you mean you can ride pretty much as fast and have as much fun).

On the gravel bikes, the Viathon is $2298 for a carbon frame and GRX 600 groupset. Specialised make the Diverge Comp E5 for $2100 with a (lesser) aluminium frame and a mixed GRX 600/800 groupset (better)[1], or you can upgrade to a carbon framed Diverge (with a Sram group set, so not directly comparable) for $2500.

[1] https://www.specialized.com/us/en/diverge-comp-e5/p/175289

Re:Walmart Just Launched a Line of Backpacking Gear by Blackthorn on Saturday May 16, 2020 @03:01AM (#23201095)
It's the Harbor Freight strategy. Though I'm not sure Walmart can build the sort of positive reputation that Harbor Freight enjoys.
Re:Walmart Just Launched a Line of Backpacking Gear by ta17711771 on Saturday May 16, 2020 @03:13AM (#23201140)
Anecdotally, I've witnessed a wide range of quality signals from buyers of Walmart and Harbor Freight.

Like Amazon and fakes/harmful products, you only have to get it right over x% of the time (is it half?) or more, in order to profit, at their scale.

Re:Walmart Just Launched a Line of Backpacking Gear by Blackthorn on Saturday May 16, 2020 @11:11AM (#23204012)
I've never had a fake from Harbor Freight. They source their own stuff.
Re:Walmart Just Launched a Line of Backpacking Gear by ta17711771 on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:26PM (#23239010)
That's...not what I said.
Re:Walmart Just Launched a Line of Backpacking Gear by Blackthorn on Friday May 22, 2020 @03:49AM (#23269639)
What you said is pretty unclear. Can you rephrase?
Re:Walmart Just Launched a Line of Backpacking Gear by econcon on Saturday May 16, 2020 @03:08AM (#23201122)
What's the Harbor Freight strategy?
Re:Walmart Just Launched a Line of Backpacking Gear by lifeisstillgood on Saturday May 16, 2020 @03:14AM (#23201142)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbor_Freight_Tools

From their logo "Quality tools and ridiculously low prices"

Seems they began selling on tools bought from bankrupt companies, and now act as a secondary channel for many "real" high end brands. (Ie they can sell overstock through this company without polluting their main market / brand)

I am going to guess they do more than just tools now.

Re:Walmart Just Launched a Line of Backpacking Gear by Blackthorn on Saturday May 16, 2020 @11:10AM (#23204002)
They don't sell overstock anymore. They sell their own stuff. It's mostly Chinese import. But you always know what you're getting and quality ranges from alright to excellent.
Re:Walmart Just Launched a Line of Backpacking Gear by lifeisstillgood on Saturday May 16, 2020 @11:28AM (#23204183)
thank you
Re:Walmart Just Launched a Line of Backpacking Gear by vocram on Saturday May 16, 2020 @02:32AM (#23200963)
The people buying high end do care about the brand and reputation. They accept to pay inflated prices for a well known brand, but would not buy at a discounted price a retail store brand. Brand and reputation communicates quality.
Re:Walmart Just Launched a Line of Backpacking Gear by barko on Saturday May 16, 2020 @02:47AM (#23201040)
I'm guessing that's more true for people buying high-end fashion than it is for those buying high-end hobbyist gear, as the latter are more likely to research products and put significant weight on performance rather than blindly trust a brand name.
Re:Walmart Just Launched a Line of Backpacking Gear by ddrt on Saturday May 16, 2020 @03:00AM (#23201091)
I don’t get this. Is it ego or something? If you’re on a trail the brand name won’t keep you from cracking your skull any less than another.
Re:Walmart Just Launched a Line of Backpacking Gear by danboarder on Saturday May 16, 2020 @03:17AM (#23201158)
Yes, it is ego. I was recently on a backpacking trip with a few of the most 'geared up' people I've ever met, sporting all top of the line gear and very proud of it - every single item was intentional and brand names and the long technical details of every item of clothing or gear was always mentioned. It's like almost any hobby or sport - some people will geek out and get very into the 'scene'. Walmart will provide a way for new people to dip a toe into the world of backcountry gear and some of those people will move up to the specialty brands.
Re:Walmart Just Launched a Line of Backpacking Gear by tjohns on Saturday May 16, 2020 @03:17AM (#23201156)
It's the history behind the brand that's important.

Does that company have a history of building quality products? Do they support them when something breaks? What kind of reputation do they have?

When you buy a brand name product, you generally have a better idea what you're buying.

(Not to say there aren't some high quality generic products out there, but it takes a lot more time and research to find them. And sometimes it's just a gamble.)

Re:Walmart Just Launched a Line of Backpacking Gear by ta17711771 on Saturday May 16, 2020 @03:16AM (#23201147)
No, but if they see that brand protecting the head of all the people they see eat shit in GoPro videos, or on heads in the Winter Olympics, then they don't (feel they) have to do the research to see if it's a trustworthy brand.

Obviously, this implied value gets taken too far on both sides.

Re:Walmart Just Launched a Line of Backpacking Gear by surfpel on Saturday May 16, 2020 @03:44AM (#23201287)
The last thing I want many hours away from civilization is my gear to fail on me. Additionally, expensive outdoors brands come with much better warranties. Discounted retail store brands are often a false economy option.