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Re:TSMC to Build Advanced Semiconductor Factory in Arizona by baybal2 on Thursday May 14, 2020 @03:54PM (#23184531)
5nm fab will require an investment of $15B+. Moreover, having it in the middle of nowhere in Arizona, without a semiconductor supply chain there will also add massive cost of building a support cluster by themselves.

Intel itself has to haul all consumables for their US fabs in Arizona from Asia.

So, add few more billions for the uncertainty on the supply chain side.

Plus, having a 2-3 year project deadline looks to me as feasible, but still very tight. TSMC's 5nm fab in Taiwan has effectively took 4 years given that they still in the final stages of setting up its internals. In US, they will have to do all of that without the massive support of Taiwanese industry, and no local expertise.

Also, by completing a 5nm project 3-4 years from now, who they will be selling the capacity to, when biggest cash cows will move to 3nm, and there will be nobody to take their place for existing 5nm capacity? The cost of tapeout on 14nm is already so extreme that leaves only around 30 companies globally in the game, it will be much worse for 5nm.

Now, the biggest showstopper — TSMC is a public company with a lot of pension fund, and sovereign fund type investors. How they are going to make them swallow that? Them saying that out of the blue will be a bombshell.

Lastly, Taiwanese government has long subjected its semiconductor industry to zealous supervision, and policy guidance. Such move will have to pass by the regulators, which Taiwan has many.

So, without US government putting at least $20B cash, and big guarantees on the table, the project seems to be in the same gimmick rank as Foxconn's Wisconsin plant.

Commercially, it makes not much sense to me unless something really surreal is happening on the political, or financial side of the matter.

Re:TSMC to Build Advanced Semiconductor Factory in Arizona by dralley on Thursday May 14, 2020 @04:19PM (#23184851)
Intel has 4 fabs in Arizona, and one in New Mexico =. They have more fabs in Oregon (6) but it's not like TSMC will be building from scratch out in Arizona.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_manufacturing_si...

Re:TSMC to Build Advanced Semiconductor Factory in Arizona by coredog64 on Thursday May 14, 2020 @04:41PM (#23185124)
Microchip has fabs in AZ. Before LSI sold off their Oregon plant, ONN’s most advanced fab was in Phoenix.

NXP has Freescale’s old fabs as well. I think generally speaking, AZ is well represented in terms of fab expertise.

Re:TSMC to Build Advanced Semiconductor Factory in Arizona by lawrenceyan on Thursday May 14, 2020 @03:58PM (#23184581)
Intel has the majority of its fabs in Arizona. What are you talking about?
Re:TSMC to Build Advanced Semiconductor Factory in Arizona by solidasparagus on Thursday May 14, 2020 @04:26PM (#23184930)
We'll have to wait to see what happens, but $20B cash is absolutely nothing to the US government if we are talking about securing vital supply chains. And US-Chinese relations aren't going so hot so it feels like ripple effects on the chip industry are inevitable.
Re:TSMC to Build Advanced Semiconductor Factory in Arizona by Cyph0n on Thursday May 14, 2020 @03:57PM (#23184562)
Well, having a fab in the middle of nowhere alleviates concerns related to vibration, noise, and water supply, no?
Re:TSMC to Build Advanced Semiconductor Factory in Arizona by dralley on Thursday May 14, 2020 @04:31PM (#23185004)
And pollution. Semiconductor manufacturing is dirty, dirty business.
Re:TSMC to Build Advanced Semiconductor Factory in Arizona by kube-system on Thursday May 14, 2020 @06:05PM (#23186145)
Not sure about having plenty of water in Arizona, but they've got plenty of silicon. :)
Re:TSMC to Build Advanced Semiconductor Factory in Arizona by russler23 on Thursday May 14, 2020 @07:35PM (#23187056)
5nm will be a more budget-friendly option for TSMC customers in 2023. This is a conservative proposal, not something bleeding edge.
Re:TSMC to Build Advanced Semiconductor Factory in Arizona by shermanmccoy on Thursday May 14, 2020 @10:53PM (#23188343)
> Now, the biggest showstopper

Barely any stock market reaction this morning on the Taiwan exchange open (ticker: 2330:TT).