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Re:Let's guess what Google requires in 14 days or they kill ... by gowld on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @03:20PM (#23170675)
Why can't Google provide support instead of vague threats? Provide a permissions audit tool, recommend ways to reduce permissions, provide a dev tool to automatically report on permissions that haven't been used while running an extension.

Is banning someone's entire Google account across all services a proportionate response to a developmer having trouble with Google's confusing permissions API?

Re:Let's guess what Google requires in 14 days or they kill ... by jpalomaki on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @03:31PM (#23170806)
Usual answer is that this would make it easier for malicious actors to bypass the limitations.

Likely there is some automated system running these checks.

Re:Let's guess what Google requires in 14 days or they kill ... by freehunter on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @03:46PM (#23170975)
Security through obscurity is no security at all.

Edit - this is a basic principle of security: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_through_obscurity

Re:Let's guess what Google requires in 14 days or they kill ... by ashtonkem on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @04:27PM (#23171442)
Anti-cheat through obscurity on the other hand is absolutely a thing.

As a metaphor, there’s a damn good reason you can’t just pay an Olympic anti-doping facility to test your urine; it would be trivial to develop protocols that evade the tests if you could do that.

Re:Let's guess what Google requires in 14 days or they kill ... by freehunter on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @04:41PM (#23171595)
If anti-cheat through obscurity worked, there would be no cheaters. The fact that cheaters exist means it does not work.
Re:Let's guess what Google requires in 14 days or they kill ... by ashtonkem on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @07:31PM (#23173131)
This is an all or nothing fallacy; the standard is not 100% success. It’s bit like saying “all locks can be picked, therefore they’re useless”.
Re:Let's guess what Google requires in 14 days or they kill ... by freehunter on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @08:22PM (#23173554)
That’s not what we’re discussing though. We’re discussing if anti-cheat through obscurity works, and I’m saying if it did there would be no cheaters. Instead companies have to build technology solutions that also don’t work 100% but that’s beside the point.
Re:Let's guess what Google requires in 14 days or they kill ... by what_ever on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @08:33PM (#23173676)
What next - if philanthropy worked there would not be any poverty in the world. So let's stop all philanthropic actions.
Re:Let's guess what Google requires in 14 days or they kill ... by streb-lo on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @05:11PM (#23171889)
Your logic does not follow.

There are certainly less cheaters than if there were no anti-cheat methods. To use OP's example, an open source urine testing procedure would be trivial to game. The same thing goes for open-source multiplayer games.

Re:Let's guess what Google requires in 14 days or they kill ... by yellowapple on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @08:08PM (#23173442)
> it would be trivial to develop protocols that evade the tests if you could do that.

If it's trivial to evade the tests, then the tests are inadequate in the first place, and should not be trusted to be accurate.

Likewise, if an anti-cheat system relies on obscurity in order to not be bypassed, then it's a crappy anti-cheat system (and, mind you, would be far less necessary if multiplayer games didn't have a fetish for trusting the client to do potentially-exploitable things instead of insisting upon server-side validation, but I digress).

And likewise, if making your policy publicly-known will result in people skirting around the spirit of that policy, then the policy is poorly-written and should be rewritten to better reflect the intent.

Security through obscurity is not security. Full stop.