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Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by bit_logic on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @09:49PM (#23162542)
What frustrates me with restaurants (especially the small business mom and pop ones) is that they are not adapting to this situation. When I go to their websites (sometimes they don't even have one), I want to see two things:

* A way to order and pay online.

* Details on their contactless pickup procedure if I drive there. I want them to bring it to my car, then I can unlock my trunk, and they can place it inside and close it.

If they did this, my use of these food delivery apps would drop to almost zero. I don't mind driving to pickup my food, it's even good for my car which has been sitting idle for weeks. But I want it to be contactless pickup. If bringing it to my car is too hard, I might even be ok with waiting outside their restaurant, text them, and they bring it out and place it on a table.

But these restaurants have no plan, put no effort into adapting, then complain about high fees for food delivery apps. I don't like these expensive apps either, please provide an alternative!

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by BurningFrog on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @09:57PM (#23162591)
You may overestimate the tech skills of "mom and pop" restaurants. They're one of the shrinking segments where people without much education and language skills can make a decent living with some hard work.

If they knew how to maintain the web site you want, they'd probably be in a better paying, more academic career.

Disclaimer: This is just my impressions from the outside. I know nothing. But I doubt mom or pop will show up on HN to tell their story.

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by mydongle on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @10:05PM (#23162646)
No, you're right. Many people on HN would scoff at UberEats taking a 30% cut or whatever from orders, but how much would it cost for every mom and pop to try and implement something like that themselves? And have someone to maintain it? Whatever people want to say about it, these are orders (or at least a signficant number of them) that the restaurants would've never received, if not for the app existing. 70% is better than 0%.

And that 30% isn't in stone. Last place I worked at, they were able to negotiate for 15% because of how desperate Uber was.

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by aaomidi on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @10:10PM (#23162682)
Hey if this is exposed there can certainly be non profits who setup delivery systems like this with a goal of providing a service, getting paid, but not trying to keep growing and growing.

It would allow users to understand this isn't free and actually pay for a subscription that essentially does this.

This regulation creates an opportunity for new business models.

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by xyzzyz on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @03:11AM (#23164295)
As much as consumers would love the idea of non-profits sweeping in and doing the same service as businesses sans the profit margin, this is simply not what we observe in real world very often. Running an organization is hard, and people doing that usually want to be compensated for their efforts.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by legolas2412 on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @09:30AM (#23166682)
> people doing that usually want to be compensated for their efforts.

Non profit does not mean free. People can be paid salary, but the business does not need a 30% Profit margin.

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by skrtskrt on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @11:08AM (#23167588)
If anything non profits have a somewhat of a reputation for being a way to pay the top people big salaries without the pressure of having investors pushing for more profits & getting the image of being "good" mostly for free since it's a non profit.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by awa on Thursday May 14, 2020 @06:51PM (#23186556)
Most of the food deliveries services are running using VC funds. I don't think there's much scope of profit here for a ~$5-$7/delivery charge having someone someone pickup and deliver a package along with other costs like building/maintaining the system, credit card charges etc,

Frankly, I feel something like peach which bundles multiple orders from a few restaurants is the way to go if you want to make money as a food delivery service.

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by zaidf on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @01:03AM (#23163642)
Remember before uber, yellow cabs had their own app. The experience was shitty. Nonprofits are not known for great software products and operational skills.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by tatersolid on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @06:52AM (#23165576)
Yellow Cab Company is the furthest thing in the world from a nonprofit. They recently went bankrupt, but a century of monopoly tactics and mafia ties preceded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Cab_Company

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by sct202 on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @09:49AM (#23166847)
It will probably be hard for a non-profit to do all of that (especially ethically like paying fair wages) considering Uber, Grubhub and Doordash are all losing money while charging 30%+ for the current services.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by aaomidi on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @01:54PM (#23169613)
Non profits don't need to make money for investors.

Just enough to pay their workers and themselves.

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by bilbo0s on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @10:18PM (#23162720)
Very good point. I hadn't considered this, transparency allowing for potential competitors to differentiate.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by chrismcb on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @12:26AM (#23163479)
70% isn't always better than 0%. But if a small restaurant did this, they would tack on delivery charges. The customer should be paying for the service, not the restaurant. I realize that a delivery charge is also added on. But it feels like the restaurant does most of the work, and the delivery company makes all the money
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by maxerickson on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @11:18PM (#23163109)
70% is better than 0%.

This really depends on their margins.

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by paxys on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @02:58AM (#23164230)
If the restaurants were losing money on every order then they wouldn't be on Uber Eats in the first place.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by mc32 on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @12:30AM (#23163504)
Exactly you can’t make up the losses with volume as the bank in the SNL skit.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by Mikeb85 on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @04:16AM (#23164710)
Tock To Go only charges 3% for this service.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by choward on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @12:49AM (#23163571)
What about the people who use the app instead of ordering directly? They lose 30% on that sale for no reason.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by paxys on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @02:59AM (#23164237)
The food still has to get to your house somehow.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by freddie_mercury on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @10:18PM (#23162717)
You don't need to "maintain a website". You can do all of this trivially from within Facebook if you don't want to "maintain a website". In the country I live in, only the hugest businesses have a website. 99% of businesses run off of Facebook (you generally order by just sending them a FB message saying "send me 12 of X" and then you pay Cash On Delivery).

Here's how you add a Menu to your restaurant's Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/help/533179700126832

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by choward on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @12:47AM (#23163565)
Facebook is worse than delivery companies. No way I'm doing that.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by cortesoft on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @11:05PM (#23163009)
"Cash on delivery" would not allow the OPs requirement of contactless delivery.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by rkho on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @11:38PM (#23163225)
You could theoretically place said cash in an envelope in the trunk for the exchange
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by cortesoft on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @11:42PM (#23163246)
This is sounding a lot more difficult than ordering from an app.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by C1sc0cat on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @05:14AM (#23165007)
Or if the USA had contactless cards it would not be problem
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by gnicholas on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @12:13AM (#23163401)
If you have exact change.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by vidarh on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @04:18AM (#23164723)
I don't usually have cash on me other than a tiny amount for emergencies, and looking at my Facebook page I see a smaller and smaller portion of my connections are online regularly.

To me a business that is only on Facebook doesn't exist as far as I am concerned.

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by C1sc0cat on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @05:13AM (#23165003)
You did not pre lock down get some extra emergency cash out just in case.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by vidarh on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @06:12AM (#23165319)
No, I didn't. I had no reason to, and have used exactly 0 in cash during lockdown.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by Larrikin on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @11:48PM (#23163290)
$60 in cash typically last me atleast a month. Making special trips to the bank to get out cash is the last thing I want to do during all of this.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by AnthonyMouse on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @01:29AM (#23163769)
So go to the bank the same number of times and adjust the amount of cash you'll need to withdraw over that period of time.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by zajio1am on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @08:59AM (#23166428)
So lose all customers that do not use Facebook?
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by Mikeb85 on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @12:44PM (#23168783)
Facebook can be viewed through any browser and public pages like those of restaurants can be accessed without an account...
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by JCharante on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @04:56AM (#23164926)
I expect a restaurant to have a working bathroom, the owner doesn't need to know anything about indoor plumbing, that's why even a mom and pop shop hires a contractor to take care of that. Don't see why web is any different.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by syshum on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @10:32PM (#23162816)
All they need to do is watch one of the endless youtube ads for squarespace or wix...

No one needs web developers anymore, you just need to sign up for a wix account it will do everything /s

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by petre on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @12:20AM (#23163439)
Shopify rather than those two since they also need to sell a product. Or a new platform (opportunity) that also takes care of food delivery or connects couriers to restaurants.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by tlbsofware on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @01:42AM (#23163830)
Sounds like a good venture for Uber
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by JAlexoid on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @01:38AM (#23163807)
Wait! You really think that restaurants are even remotely capable of handling customer support volume, that delivery companies work with?
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by fhirzall on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @03:22AM (#23164362)
Of course they can, their whole business is designed around service.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by JAlexoid on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @03:45AM (#23164506)
LOL! No they don't, they laid off all of their waiters already!

Fuck! I routinely cannot get through to restaurants that I ordered from, without a lockdown in place.

It's 100x worse now.

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by yoshamano on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @12:10AM (#23163391)
Out here in the hinterlands of "fly-over country", I just want a phone number, address, menu, and hours of operation. I don't care what form they take be it website, Facebook, a Yelp page, whatever. Something that a search engine can index. Just those 4 things can be something of a large ask from the mom and pop places around here.

What you're asking for sounds like science fiction.

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by threatofrain on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @01:57AM (#23163902)
Science fiction? What's wrong with the Facebook and Yelp you just mentioned? You don't need a perfect website, right?
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by yoshamano on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @02:19AM (#23164020)
Nothing at all wrong with Facebook or Yelp. The issue is a lot of them are auto-generated pages by those websites. So they're usually nothing more than placeholders created with the hope that the restaurant will claim them, and then populate them with info.

The science fiction is bit_logic's requests from up at the top of the thread:

* A way to order and pay online.

* Details on their contactless pickup procedure if I drive there. I want them to bring it to my car, then I can unlock my trunk, and they can place it inside and close it.

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by RandallBrown on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @02:19AM (#23164019)
Even in Seattle, I find Facebook and Yelp's hours to be inconsistent and wrong.

My neighborhood bar hasn't updated their Facebook page in years.

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by chii on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @12:34AM (#23163511)
> Just those 4 things can be something of a large ask from the mom and pop places around here.

i bet that there's a way to turn this sort of need into a utility that can be provided with a very simple method. It used to be very difficult to operate a telephone when it was new. Now it's ubiquitous. Calling somebody meant looking up their number in a phonebook. And it is because of standardization.

So i propose that all businesses standardize in describing what they sell - make this a requirement by law, and there will be companies that can provide cheap services to do this task for them. Using this standardization process, online ordering and other (like inventory tracking) can also be "standardized" in such a way that makes it outsource-able.

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by JAlexoid on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @01:40AM (#23163815)
And then they charge 30% or the cost of operating such a machine is 30% of average sales volume... and we're back to the beginning.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by petre on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @12:24AM (#23163460)
Then you won't be buying food from dark kitchens which is what these food delivery apps encourage.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by yoshamano on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @01:11AM (#23163674)
True, but dark kitchens/ghost restaurants aren't really a thing around here.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by JAlexoid on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @01:41AM (#23163824)
Most of the "flyover" country isn't even on these apps.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by yoshamano on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @02:26AM (#23164064)
I'm surprised by the number that are around here. The town of 7,000 people I live in (Marshall, MI) doesn't have a lot in the way of delivery app participation. However, 15 minutes away is a town of 52,000 people (Battle Creek, MI), and I would say at least half of the local mom and pop places there are in bed with at least one delivery app.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by cortesoft on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @11:15PM (#23163081)
There is another big advantage that aggregators have; I only have to enter my address and payment info once, and can order from a ton of restaurants. It can save all my orders from lots of places so I can reorder. It can find all the places that deliver to my address.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by megablast on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @05:46AM (#23165178)
I know, why don’t the waiters just edit the website, the cooks integrate a payment api, the cleaners implement a back of house system, etc....

Crazy.

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by ForHackernews on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @03:32AM (#23164420)
There's is an alternative, it's called the telephone!

Are you that terrified of making a phone call?

If it's a small restaurant, just ring up and ask them how you'd like to pick up the food!

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by bsder on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @11:16PM (#23163092)
> I want them to bring it to my car, then I can unlock my trunk, and they can place it inside and close it.

That's a little excessive given there are lots of customers and only a handful of restaurant workers.

What I have seen restaurants do is that they put your food on the tables (which are idle anyway) with a number. If you tell them who you are when you walk in, they tell you the number and you can pick it up without interacting with people.

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by techsupporter on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @12:28AM (#23163492)
I've seen this as well, at the ~60% of restaurants who will still serve me without my having a car. Walk in, give name from safe distance, get food from spot.

What sucks about the other 40% is half of them are "our door is locked, pay a delivery service" and the other half are "use our drive-thru and if you come in anything other than a vehicle with a license plate we will yell at you." I don't want to do the former because delivery people seem incapable of working out where I live and I can't do the latter.

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by impendia on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @05:39AM (#23165137)
I've been buying groceries in this manner. (I submit a MS Word document with my order, they call me to arrange payment and double check that whatever substitutions they need to make are okay, and I show up in the afternoon and pop my trunk.)

Probably not practical in big cities, where parking can be haphazard, but many restaurants have parking lots right in front.

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by impendia on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @10:03PM (#23162630)
Is there some reason you can't (or don't want to) call them?
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by chrisseaton on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @10:16PM (#23162710)
Many people these days just flat out don't like having to make or receive a phone call.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by JAlexoid on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @01:43AM (#23163837)
Have you talked over the phone to an average Chinese restaurant lady or Taco place? If I had to ask for the menu from my local, one of the best that I had, taco truck - I'd hang myself by the time I got to actually deciding what my order would be.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by cortesoft on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @11:08PM (#23163030)
I can re-order my previous orders from Grubhub or DoorDash with one hand on my phone while I chase after the kids or am busy doing something else. Don't have to enter payment info, find my wallet, look at a menu, or worry about the noise level.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by ikeyany on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @10:32PM (#23162813)
The idea here is to avoid contact with human beings altogether.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by BiosElement on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @10:50PM (#23162931)
Language barrier and awful call quality also come into play. It's sometimes next to impossible to understand them and that's even assuming a strong language grasp. Much of the best food comes from the old dude/woman who's been cooking all their life, but not necessarily the easiest to communicate with.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by maccard on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @07:00AM (#23165617)
Waiting on hold, handling payment details over the phone, miscommunicating an order, language barriers (not everyone who runs a restaurant speaks the local language fluently, and not everyone living in a place speaks the local language fluently), not having to explain my address.

Then there's the benefits of online - menu is accessible, often they're using stripe/Shopify so my payment info isn't everywhere, it's one click, I get email confirmations and receipts, I can leave free form notes easily, and last but not least, I don't have to talk to a person who may or may not want to talk to me.

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by ulfw on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @06:46AM (#23165544)
How's the whole "I can unlock my trunk, and they can place it inside and close it" going to help?

If you're worried about exposure, someone still prepared your food, touched it in the kitchen, brought it out to your car...

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by lakerz16 on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @02:08PM (#23169793)
I'd much rather get my food from someone that has not been interacting with the previous 100 customers.

And now every customer after me won't be exposed to me, either.

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by hedora on Thursday May 14, 2020 @10:41AM (#23180109)
They’ll have touched the trunks of the 100 previous people, and breathed concentrated common air from the 80 of them with an SUV, minivan or truck. Is this really better than having the customer walk into a big open room (with a mask in some jurisdictions), and pick up a bag?
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by hedora on Thursday May 14, 2020 @10:30AM (#23179984)
I’m perfectly happy phoning in an order, walking in and sticking my credit card in a slot. I’m orders of magnitude more likely to catch it at the grocery store, or during a trip to our partially-closed and therefore over-crowded parks.

However, no one in our house is in a high risk group. We’d rather get one of the two strains that are common now (preferably the first one!) than roll the dice with whatever’s common during the second surge later this year.

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Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by analog31 on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @10:26PM (#23162766)
Retail shopping has gone through a similar evolution, so it might be a source of inspiration for how to make online food delivery more successful. Today, retail customers have the same, or an analogous, list of wants. When e-commerce first emerged, a similar 99.9 of retailers were similarly incapable of meeting those demands.

Simply handling disputes is enough to bury any retailer who doesn't learn how to handle it. If it doesn't consume their money, it will consume their time.

I have a very small side business, and have handled the above needs by working exclusively through PayPal. Also, I have enough of a mark-up to cover disputes. It's kind of ironic, but to survive in business, you have to be comfortable with somehow letting your customers pay for your mistakes.

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by JAlexoid on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @01:52AM (#23163878)
Majority of people simply do not understand.

When people are not in front of you, people are much faster to complain and dislike.

Thus when this guy sold a sub-optimal pizza in his shop to a person in a hurry, they would rather have the food and not start a verbal fight. But when they are physically removed - they are free to look at the quality and make a complaint.

PS: Customers aren't paying for your mistakes, your profits suffer. I just recently sold off a bunch of excess sports masks(it's faster to order a bulk package from a Chinese manufacturer, than buy one). I sold them off on eBay at cost and people bitched to me about the fact that the postman didn't come on time... while not paying for expedited delivery. In the end I lost $10.

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by analog31 on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @09:08AM (#23166510)
Indeed, I get what you're saying, and maybe it's just a way of looking at things, but if you don't at least roughly figure the average cost of your mistakes into the price that you charge, eventually you'll go out of business. A mistake on any single order might still be a loss, but you make it up with a hopefully larger number of successful sales.

For instance, the widget that I make, I screw up a small number of them during production, and I consider that to be part of my cost-of-goods. The rare customer with a complaint gets a full refund. My overall profit more than covers the occasional mistake.

Some other things that the big retailers do is simply not to sell goods that are open to dispute. Home Depot would look at making a pizza by hand from scratch at a retail location and delivering it to your door, as some kind of crazy.

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by belltaco on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @10:05PM (#23162650)
>A website that's functional with pricing equal to what would be charged with an in-person order.

Why expect delivery to cost the same as inperson?

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by malandrew on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @10:08PM (#23162669)
If we are trying to be charitable in our interpretations of someone's argument, I think they were suggesting that each item ordered would have the same price and that the order total minus delivery cost would have the same price, not that the total for the entire order with the delivery-specific costs and delivery service would be the same as the in-store pickup.
Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by freddie_mercury on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @10:24PM (#23162754)
Ordering for delivery often requires extra packaging and extra handling. Items that can all be thrown together in a single plate may need to be put into separate containers, which takes extra time in the kitchen. Probably they are also missing upsell opportunities on higher-margin goods (how many people are ordering alcohol, desserts, or just drinks in general for delivery?)

I honestly don't know how much that all adds up to -- and weighed against it are some cost savings, certainly.

But I've never really got the impression that the restaurant business is a high-margin business where they make hand over fist, so my default position isn't "oh, another greedy cash grab for those fat cat restaurateurs" but more "eh, probably they've run the numbers and this extra $1/order is what they need to stay afloat when doing delivery".

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by eitland on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @12:28AM (#23163485)
> Ordering for delivery often requires extra packaging and extra handling. Items that can all be thrown together in a single plate may need to be put into separate containers, which takes extra time in the kitchen. Probably they are also missing upsell opportunities on higher-margin goods (how many people are ordering alcohol, desserts, or just drinks in general for delivery?)

Good points, on the other hand I would think there's way less work for each order with takeaway:

- less waiting tables

- less cleaning of floors, tables and plates

?

Re:Chicago will now require food delivery apps to disclose i... by JAlexoid on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @01:57AM (#23163906)
People cost more than packaging. So it's not exactly an easy calculation.

Often delivery can be optimized much better, than in person services(including takeaway). Making 10 packs of fries takes as much manpower, as 1 pack. If you can batch it well, then you can optimize costs.

But most people in restaurant business are crap at optimization, that's why McD is this big...