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Re:Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percen... by tombert on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @02:37PM (#23157868)
You know, I was thinking this, but honestly how much overhead is the Windows GUI when no one is logged into it? I know it's not nothing, but I suspect it's not that much, is it?
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Re:Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percen... by mmcconnell1618 on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @03:24PM (#23158512)
Windows Server is available in a "core" edition without a GUI.
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Re:Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percen... by tonyedgecombe on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @03:38PM (#23158692)
Not only that but pretty much everything on Windows Server is exposed to PowerShell and has been for some time.
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Re:Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percen... by code_duck on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @03:55PM (#23158897)
And does it actually have well tested, well known, reliable functionality on everything you tend to use? Configuration of programs using easy to edit text files vs some system of ticking checkboxes in a GUI?

RegEdit, is there a text version for that? Imo there's no comparison to the Linux ecosystem.

Windows is GUI first.

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Re:Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percen... by useerup on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @05:05PM (#23159829)
> RegEdit, is there a text version for that?

Uhm, in Powershell:

    PS C:\Users\zb3> cd hklm:
    PS HKLM:\>
(you are now in the registry local machine hive)
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Re:Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percen... by code_duck on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @06:12PM (#23160655)
It's just that I have a hard time believing that three or four years of development for administrating windows through text is equivalent to 30 years development for administrating Unix through a CLI.
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Re:Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percen... by tonyedgecombe on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @03:29AM (#23164404)
In many ways it's much better. There is a consistent interface over everything. Whereas on my Unix boxes my ~/.ssh/config file looks completely different to my Apache config.

Also I get much more fine grained control over permissions in the registry, right down to individual keys. Try doing that when your config is in a text file.

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Re:Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percen... by what-the-grump on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @01:53AM (#23163886)
The default fallback to can't find it in GUI is cmd? Windows 95 used to start from command prompt. We've been administering windows from cli for 30 years. But our cli was oo from the start. Powershell is really amazing. Once you start falling out of object land into crap like ssh, you see the split, e.g. why it took so God damn long to port it. And I still have plink into switches using a premade command file.
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Re:Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percen... by JoBrad on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @06:56PM (#23161117)
PowerShell has been around since 2006, not just the past 3 or 4 years. And there was a good deal of CLI-based administration / scripting before then, too.
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Re:Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percen... by tonyedgecombe on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @05:48PM (#23160351)
And does it actually have well tested, well known, reliable functionality on everything you tend to use?

Yes, MicroSoft made a big thing about this about five or six years ago if I recall correctly. All the server products like Exchange or SQL Server treat PowerShell as a first class client.

You can walk around the registry just as if you are traversing a directory tree.

If anything the GUI is becoming rather dumbed down in recent releases.

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Re:Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percen... by cesarb on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @04:09PM (#23159062)
> RegEdit, is there a text version for that?

AFAIK, yes, it's at %WINDIR%\System32\reg.exe

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Re:Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percen... by code_duck on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @06:13PM (#23160664)
So it exists, but is the usability and functionality nearly equivalent? And the thing is that it also involves third-party software tools.
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Re:Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percen... by int_19h on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @08:44PM (#23162065)
Nearly equivalent to what? It can do everything that the GUI can, if that's what you mean. Some things are obviously going to be less convenient, but that's just the nature of CLI.

And what third party tools does that involve?

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Re:Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percen... by code_duck on Thursday May 14, 2020 @07:59PM (#23187258)
What I mean is that oftentimes on Windows, I use non-OS tools or applications which are not made with the expectation that you will want to script them or configure them via text interface.
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Re:Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percen... by code_duck on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @03:55PM (#23158906)
Great, *nix has been available in that way for hmmm, maybe a few decades.
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Re:Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percen... by mekster on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @03:10AM (#23164289)
It's not the resource but the cognitive load is so high when you have to click little parts and you can only interact as good as what the UI offers.

Apparently Windows is human first which isn't what servers are meant to be.

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Re:Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percen... by oblio on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @03:42AM (#23164480)
You don't have to click little parts, you can use Powershell :-)
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Re:Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percen... by what-the-grump on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @01:40AM (#23163816)
It's a lot. I run core for critical windows infrastructure to cut costs, patch times, and save on core count, instance sizing and reduce attack footprint.

The GUI is big, and I run that when needed, RDS, userland stuff etc.

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Re:Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percen... by code_duck on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @03:15PM (#23158392)
I don't mean as far as idle resource usage.

The advantage of Linux is when you want to accomplish tasks without a great internet connection, but the windows tools are not evolved enough as far as command line functionality.

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Re:Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percen... by jen20 on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @05:05PM (#23159823)
This was once the case, but PowerShell has been a solid administration tool for quite some time now. OpenSSH Server also ships as part of Windows, which was the missing link (since WinRM is, charitably, awful). The remote administration experience of Windows is now certainly comparable to Linux, in my opinion.
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Re:Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percen... by code_duck on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @05:37PM (#23160214)
Thanks, at this point I'm neither a sysadmin not a masochist so I haven't checked this out.
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Re:Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percen... by fomine3 on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @09:06PM (#23162244)
You seem to want to retain your bias.
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