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Re:Waymo has raised $3B in the last two months by chubot on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @01:15PM (#23156559)
I think you answered your own question: if they are confident of Waymo

As I said a couple months ago, the "Waymo" name is a sign. If they really believed in the product, it would be called "Google Self-Driving Cars".

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22632588

Re:Waymo has raised $3B in the last two months by mtmail on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @01:20PM (#23156648)
Different brands can make sense though. Youtube isn't called Google Video and Blogger isn't Google Blogs.
Re:Waymo has raised $3B in the last two months by gruturo on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @01:29PM (#23156792)
Google Video was an actual product, competing with Youtube. When they decided to acquire the much more successful Youtube, its brand already had a lot of value and recognition, so it survived.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Video

Re:Waymo has raised $3B in the last two months by tyingq on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @01:43PM (#23157022)
Similar, on a smaller scale, for Blogger. Google acquired it.
Re:Waymo has raised $3B in the last two months by buttersbrian on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @02:10PM (#23157490)
Yet they applied the google name to nest? Android remains without a google moniker (other issues there).

Point being that google has quite a few inconsistencies in their naming (which is a thing in itself) and their not applying Google brand to Waymo at this point is any indication.

Re:Waymo has raised $3B in the last two months by throwaway2048 on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @07:48PM (#23161565)
Android was also acquired.
Re:Waymo has raised $3B in the last two months by chubot on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @01:31PM (#23156831)
Google Video existed and was shut down after Google acquired YouTube:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Video

Blogger was also an acquisition (from the future founder of Twitter), and it already had a strong brand.

Whereas in 2011 there was a lot of marketing tying self-driving cars <=> Google.

There could be other reasons for the separate brand, like managing bad PR from a crash, but I would also classify that under "don't have confidence".

In contrast Tesla seems to be staking their brand on self-driving. I feel like this could backfire in the next 5-10 years, but Elon will probably make some other advance/launch to distract from that. Self-driving has already fallen behind Tesla's claims, but he can keep the media busy enough with other stories.

Re:Waymo has raised $3B in the last two months by rchaud on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @01:53PM (#23157207)
It last several years beyond the acquisition of YouTube. In college, I used to be something of a history buff and remember watching and enjoying many old documentaries on WW2 and Cold War stuff on Google Videos. According to the Wiki article, they only turned off uploading to Google Videos in 2011, almost 6 years after acquiring YT.
Re:Waymo has raised $3B in the last two months by three_seagrass on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @02:05PM (#23157417)
Everyone is pointing out that those two are acquisitions, but they're missing Verily, Calico, Jigsaw, Wing, Chronicle, etc.

It's par the course for X graduates to get their own brand.

Re:Waymo has raised $3B in the last two months by cesarb on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @01:37PM (#23156929)
> Youtube isn't called Google Video

Google Video is a thing, it was Google's competitor to YouTube before Google bought YouTube. (And YouTube was already called YouTube before Google bought it.)

Re:Waymo has raised $3B in the last two months by ulfw on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @03:05PM (#23158265)
Youtube was an acquisition.
Re:Waymo has raised $3B in the last two months by nitsky on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @01:19PM (#23156641)
Lots of conglomerates have sub brands to avoid antitrust attention. Also maybe they don’t want consumers to think the cars are watching them.
Re:Waymo has raised $3B in the last two months by Isamu on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @01:25PM (#23156733)
“We will drive you to your requested shopping destination after this brief targeted advertisement for laundry detergent.”
Re:Waymo has raised $3B in the last two months by galuggus on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @01:33PM (#23156858)
Or the car will take a detour past certain billboards
Re:Waymo has raised $3B in the last two months by ori_b on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @01:39PM (#23156957)
Too crass. The billboards will display video ads optimized for the occupants passing by.
Re:Waymo has raised $3B in the last two months by mav3rick on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @05:56PM (#23160460)
Hyperbole clearly. Feel free to not use the taxi if you care. But of course you'd want to rant on HN
Re:Waymo has raised $3B in the last two months by eigenvalue on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @03:13PM (#23158370)
Even if you thought Waymo technology was amazing and would be a huge success, there is a non-trivial risk that a self-driving car could kill people and turn into a PR nightmare. Thus it's totally reasonable that Google would want to insulate themselves against that risk considering that they own one of the world's most valuable brands in their search business. Also, it might make sense to have a real privacy wall between Google and a potential fleet of millions of cars outfitted with multiple cameras and sensors. The only way to do that effectively is to have a separate company do it.
Re:Waymo has raised $3B in the last two months by Guest0918231 on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @01:39PM (#23156959)
People are going to die in Waymo cars, and sometimes we'll wonder if the accident was avoidable and if the car made the wrong choice leading to someone's death.

It'll look bad on the brand when the news is reporting how, "Google self-driving car kills family en route to Disneyland".

I'm not saying self-driving cars are dangerous, but it's just the numbers. People will die and self-driving car deaths will be shocking news and make headlines for a long time. I wouldn't want my brand name anywhere near them.

Re:Waymo has raised $3B in the last two months by tialaramex on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @08:35PM (#23161992)
Sure, just look at Rolls Royce. A related company with that brand name makes jet engines, which of course are thus involved in tragic and headline-making air accidents.

As a result Rolls Royce cars are... huh, no, people actually nod right along, that makes sense, Rolls Royce jet engines, I would want a reliable, high quality jet engine and that's what I associate with this car brand. Most people have no idea it isn't even the same company.

News outlets will connect Google to such deaths regardless. "Google car kills two" the headline will say, and Google's PR person will know better than to insist "Actually it should say Waymo not Google".

It looks bad if it becomes a trend. "Man dies in car crash" isn't going to destroy your brand. Ask every single car company in the world. Even Volvo, whose brand is specifically all about safety. It requires a trend, which is what hurt Boeing recently, bad news after bad news without respite, that'll do it. But there's no reason to think Waymo will ship something dangerous enough to cause such a trend.

Re:Waymo has raised $3B in the last two months by Guest0918231 on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @01:00AM (#23163628)
I don't think it's a fair comparison.

There's a difference between someone crashing their own Volvo, and someone sitting in the backseat of a Waymo that misinterprets the lane markers and crashes into a barrier. One is not news, one is front page news.

I guarantee the first Waymo death is going to be publicized everywhere. It doesn't need to be a trend, and as I said, it doesn't mean the cars are more dangerous than human drivers. However, it's going to be news. There are going to be all sorts of moral debates when an algorithm decides to drive over a child instead of turning into an oncoming car. People will want answers. How does Waymo rank the value of different lives? I imagine it'll be news for the next decade until there are thousands of deaths and it becomes normal.

It's an industry that's going to be full of "firsts" and that's going to be the news. Waymo drives over dog while auto-piloting to a parking lot. Waymo mistakes grocery cart for stroller and swerves into elderly man. Waymo kills cyclist when poor weather disrupts censors. It doesn't matter if they ship something safe. Get enough cars on the road and these things will happen and people will be talking about it.

Re:Waymo has raised $3B in the last two months by tialaramex on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @08:52AM (#23166371)
> There are going to be all sorts of moral debates when an algorithm decides to drive over a child instead of turning into an oncoming car.

No. That's a trolley problem. It's an interesting intellectual exercise, you can maybe win a debate team trophy for your rousing defence of one choice or the other - but these moral decisions aren't actually what drivers do whether they're humans or a powerful AI.

People keep acting as though this is an unprecedented situation and invoking weird moral beliefs about thinking machines, when it's actually utterly routine. Let's try another exercise:

How many headlines have you read about a specific brand of elevator decapitating a child? Is it none? Do you see anybody pushing for the big elevator manufacturers to have to reveal how they "rank the value of different lives"? No?

That's not because nobody dies this way, it's because we say oh that's just a machine obviously if things go wrong you can get seriously injured and the machine doesn't know if you're a nun or a basketball champion it isn't trying to kill/ not kill anybody in particular it's just a machine.

Humans are often tempted to try "escape manoeuvres" and these almost invariably go wrong, we don't teach machines to try such manoeuvres because the machines are trained based on real performance data not someone's model of themselves as an immortal superhero.

One of the first Waymo crashes was somebody trying an escape manoeuvre. They found themselves in a potential collision so rather than the correct thing (brake to reduce speed, hit the thing you're colliding with because it's too close) they tried an abrupt swerve, lost control of course, crossed a median and smashed into the unrelated oncoming Waymo car at high speed writing off both vehicles. Humans do stuff like that, you can try training them not to but they won't listen. But the machines do not have that problem, so less "Should I kill the nun, the pregnant woman or the Olympic champion?" and more "Despite maximum braking effort a collision has become inevitable. Preparing safety systems for impact".