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Re:Zombie Coal by arkanciscan on Thursday April 30, 2020 @07:07PM (#23037315)
> why are new coal-fired power plants still being planned and built?

Because digging holes is all that some people know how to do for a living apparently.

Re:Zombie Coal by mistermann on Thursday April 30, 2020 @07:09PM (#23037340)
I don't think I understand your logic, could you expand on what you mean?
Re:Zombie Coal by _mcdougle on Thursday April 30, 2020 @07:24PM (#23037465)
I'm no expert but it seems like we keep subsidizing both coal mining & coal burning, as well as creating legal obstacles for better energy technology, for the sake of propping up an industry with a lot of jobs.

I feel like, lately, there's been a big effort to keep these things going in spite of greener energy options being more and more affordable just so we don't put a lot of people out of work.

Re:Zombie Coal by jhallenworld on Thursday April 30, 2020 @07:47PM (#23037607)
There are not even that many jobs. How many people do you think it takes to run a strip mine? Take a look:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Li...

https://earthfirstnews.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/narm_aeri...

It turns out that the biggest competition for coal jobs is more efficient coal mines- in this case the strip mines of the Powder River Basin.

It's all the more astounding that solar is cheaper than coal.

Re:Zombie Coal by marzell on Thursday April 30, 2020 @07:36PM (#23037548)
Yea I think it's part status quo (from a narrow perspective) and also an example of, "if all you have is a hammer, everything is a nail."

For people involved in the energy sector, but only really know coal, the only way they can comprehend maintaining and expanding business is to maintain and expand coal operations. The industry may pivot, but the dinosaurs (har har) of coal will often just maintain their current course until they become extinct (har har again).

Re:Zombie Coal by mistermann on Monday May 04, 2020 @10:49AM (#23068714)
> if all you have is a hammer, everything is a nail.

This is a very old and popular meme. But as an "armchair epistemologist", who also happens to be growing rather weary of endless armchair economic and political critics "telling it like it is", whenever I encounter memes like this, my first question is always: "To what degree is this meme actually true?"

It seems like not just a fair question, but an important one.

> For people involved in the energy sector, but only really know coal, the only way they can comprehend maintaining and expanding business is to maintain and expand coal operations.

"the [only way] [they] [can comprehend]" seems like a rather extraordinary claim (and you know what "they" say about extraordinary claim), that would require rather intimate knowledge of the thoughts of of multiple people.

I'm curious, how did you come to possess this knowledge? By what mechanism?

Re:Zombie Coal by Frondo on Thursday April 30, 2020 @07:54PM (#23037661)
There aren't really that many coal jobs, big-picture-wise, about 60,000. Arby's employs more people than that.
Re:Zombie Coal by azinman2 on Thursday April 30, 2020 @09:19PM (#23038180)
They make a lot more than Arby’s employees. They’re also the main economic engine of some areas.
Re:Zombie Coal by kjs3 on Thursday April 30, 2020 @10:32PM (#23038542)
And like all single-source "main economic engines", it's only a matter of time before their demise destroys their local economy.
Re:Zombie Coal by mistermann on Thursday April 30, 2020 @10:20PM (#23038491)
I don't know much about it, what kind of initiatives and dollars are we talking about here for subsidies?
Re:Zombie Coal by danans on Thursday April 30, 2020 @10:44PM (#23038587)
He means that countries are using coal mining as a jobs creation plan.