On top of that, an even greater fraction of people who believe that the administration is incompetent, believe the correct solution to that predicament is to vote the opposite party come election time. It’s as if change in the election system isn’t even an option.

You have to pick your battles. Changing the election system is really hard. There are legitimate policy disagreements one can have with the Democrats, but one thing you cannot say about them is that they are brazenly corrupt and hostile to facts. Donald Trump is both. He is proud of these things. He thinks they're features, not bugs, and about 40% of American voters seem to agree. As long as that remains the case, nothing else matters. Policy is moot when the country is run by a personality cult.

This is true, but it's important to note that it applies to Republicans generally. Trump isn't special. He is the results of decades of Republican policy and is supported by Republicans even to this day.

Yes but that still ultimately goes back to support from a very large number (tens of millions) of voters.

Certainly Democrats are just as corrupt and hostile to facts as Republicans (the set of denied facts will be different of course). Only a partisan would claim otherwise.

Can you give some examples?

Of course. Many large cities have been run exclusively by Democrats for decades and are notoriously corrupt, for example Chicago and Illinois more generally.

The facts that are denied will be those that run counter to the prevailing sacred cows of whatever movement it is. One that especially irks me on the Democratic side of the fence is denying that the minimum wage has a cost in jobs, despite near universal belief from economists that this is the case.

That’s not an example that is a vague hand-wavy allegation. Which cities? What specific acts of corruption?

Actually, it is an example. These reports by the University of Illinois at Chicago have more details. The start of the most recent report:

"Chicago continues to be the most corrupt city in the country and Illinois remains the third most corrupt state."

https://pols.uic.edu/chicago-politics/anti-corruption-report...

Yes, you're right. Sorry, I was reading your comment while waiting in line at the grocery store and I was not focused.

But that is one example. You said many large cities have been run exclusively by Democrats for decades and are notoriously corrupt. One is not many. AFAICT Chicago and Illinois are the exception rather than the rule among Democratically controlled cities and states.

Also, Democrats don't exhibit pride in their corruption the way Trump does. When Democratic corruption is exposed, Democrats seem to be, for the most part, ashamed of it. It's not just Trump's corruption that is problematic, it's the way he wears is proudly as if it were a badge of honor. When Rod Blagojevich tried to sell Obama's Senate seat, he was put in prison. And then he was pardoned by (of course) Donald Trump!

Also, your (one) example deals only with corruption. I cited two problems, the second being denial of facts. Do you dispute that?

Not to step into your discussion with the other guy but examples are so numerous that I know of three more off the top of my head. The Most Expensive Mile of Subway Track on Earth , Mohammed Nuru's Penthouse, Leland Yee and Shrimp Boy.

> The Most Expensive Mile of Subway Track on Earth

First hit on Google is:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/nyregion/new-york-subway-...

First occurrence of the string "corrupt" in that article:

“Is it rigged? Yes,” said Charles G. Moerdler, who has served on the M.T.A. board since 2010. “I don’t think it’s corrupt..."

> Mohammed Nuru's Penthouse, Leland Yee and Shrimp Boy

OK, I'll concede those two. But both of those examples are from one city (San Francisco), so now at best we're up to two cities. That's not a "large number" in my book. Also, the Nuru example seems pretty petty (yeah, he built himself a nicer office than he should have. That hardly seems comparable to me to the President of the United States proposing to hold the G7 summit at a property that he personally owns.) And both Nuru and Yee were ultimately disgraced. Yee is still in prison.

At the level of Nuru and Yee, there are literally tens of thousands of Democratic officials of similar rank througout the country. Two examples of corruption, one of them petty, and both of them ultimately disgraced, hardly seems like a pattern to me.

By way of very stark contrast, the entire Republican party is covering up for Donald Trump.

And none of this speaks to the other problem I cited: denial of facts.

What would you require in order to move from your position?

Evidence, preferably all collected in one place and properly analyzed. Something like this:

https://rantt.com/gop-admins-had-38-times-more-criminal-conv...

Ah, that would be a pretty hard task for me to compile. Thank you for being explicit about your standard of evidence!

You don't have to do it yourself. You can find someone else who has done it and give me reference.

But I suspect you will be unable to find someone who has done it because it's simply not true.

Keystone XL, lack of real consequences for BP over the oil spill, just to name a couple.

What does that have to do with corruption and denial of facts?