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Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by markdown on Monday April 27, 2020 @11:56PM (#23003199)
I'm gonna be that guy... given that people are starving, isn't immoral to ask that money be donated to keep shelter dogs alive?

Surely they should just be put to sleep, no?

Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by 101404 on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @03:38AM (#23004512)
That's just how rich people are. "Cute" gets help, "not cute" doesn't matter. And humans are, for these most part, "not cute".
Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by sdoering on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @05:02AM (#23005115)
No. It just isn't following the "whataboutism" logic.

Following this we could say: As there are always young able people in need, why care for old or disabled people who doo not contribute to society and only cost society's money?

Why "donate" taxes for care facilities and such unnecessary stuff?

Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by markdown on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @05:41AM (#23005296)
You're taking this too far. Stop trying to do that.

There is an island on which there are hungry people and hungry dogs. There is a limited pool of donor funds.

The fact that there are people asking for money for the dogs before all the people on that little island have full bellies is just sad.

The dogs will feel no pain from being put to sleep.

Nobody can, will, or wants to even suggest that the children be put to sleep. We will let the children suffer horrible pain before we ever even consider suggesting such a thing.

So every dollar spent on the starving dogs is a dollar that could have prevented some pain for the humans there. It would cost no money and no pain to put the dogs to sleep and ease the pain of some children.

So stop trying to bring the rest of the world into this to win the argument. This is a localised problem on one island, and every dollar spent there should be spent on reducing harm.

Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by michaelt on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @07:06AM (#23005785)
You might enjoy reading the utilitarian philosophy work of Peter Singer [1]

A lot of charity donation is based on feelings rather than calculations about saved lives. Otherwise there would only be one charity, and it'd be distributing malaria nets and deworming tablets in Africa.

In my experience, if someone donates $20 to animals in response to lowpro's post, that's not money subtracted from their fixed charity budget that would otherwise have gone to humans. That's money subtracted from their household budget, that otherwise would have been spent on hobbies and bills. People who have fixed charity budgets simply don't donate from them in response to social media posts.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Life_You_Can_Save

Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by DuskStar on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @11:11AM (#23007727)
> The dogs will feel no pain from being put to sleep.

> Nobody can, will, or wants to even suggest that the children be put to sleep. We will let the children suffer horrible pain before we ever even consider suggesting such a thing.

Sounds like the proper solution is to convince people that putting kits to sleep is OK, then...

(Not really, but it does seem to follow from your statements)

Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by doc_gunthrop on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @02:36PM (#23010264)
> The fact that there are people asking for money for the dogs before all the people on that little island have full bellies is just sad.

You're operating on the assumption that the people with the means to donate prioritize human life over a dog's life, which isn't always the case.

Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by cultofmetatron on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @10:56AM (#23007587)
I may get downvoted for this and I would not advocate this under normal circumstances. But dogs are a source of protein that would be a shame to put to waste given that people are starving otherwise.
Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by bananabreakfast on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @12:29AM (#23003373)
You have extremely misguided logic.

By extension of your statement: Given that there are always people starving somewhere on Earth at all other points in time too, isn't it immoral to feed pets at all? They should be put down and that food should go to people! Dog food in general is immoral, because it could instead be given to someone starving somewhere.

Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by ppf on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @04:13AM (#23004787)
That's not as ridiculous as you think.
Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by xkqd on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @01:18AM (#23003652)
It varies a little bit from culture to culture, but for the most part no, it isn’t moral to kill dogs just because human beings are struggling too.
Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by 3solarmasses on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @12:02AM (#23003233)
It's only immoral to question the validity of a good cause on the pretense that there's something worse happening out there somewhere...
Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by ppf on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @04:15AM (#23004807)
It's a question of scale, and balance. Yes, I think it is ridiculous to ask for donations to keep unwanted dogs alive when there are people on the same island who are suffering.
Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by edoceo on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @12:11AM (#23003277)
Hint: there is always something worse somewhere.
Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by TeMPOraL on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @06:58AM (#23005738)
There are many bad things happening everywhere. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try and stack-rank them, in order to allocate funds effectively. There's diminishing returns to everything[0]. As you throw money at problem #1, it becomes more and more expensive to make a marginal improvement, so eventually, it swaps places with some other problem in the ranking.

There are many criteria you could use for making such ranking of problems (a popular one is minimizing dollars per lives saved, or dollars per QALY added). Living in a free society means people are free to decide how much (if anything all) they want to spend on charitable causes, and on which ones. But in one's individual spending, it's worth to think about how to get maximum "bang for your buck", in terms of alleviating suffering.

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[0] - By coincidence, this is on the front page right now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22993486.

Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by imtringued on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @03:15AM (#23004357)
There are as many "worst things" as there are people.
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Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by kmonsen on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @12:47AM (#23003483)
You could make the exact same statement 6 months ago.
Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by markdown on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @04:54AM (#23005065)
Six months ago the shelter didn't need money because people had money and donated it willingly. Now the people around there are starving and can't waste money keeping random strays alive when their own children are starving.

And the people running this shelter, knowing that donor funds are limited, are asking for it to be spent on keeping unwanted dogs alive when there are people starving. It's more humane to put the dogs to sleep. They will feel no pain.

But nobody is going to even begin to consider putting the children to sleep are they? Those kids are going to suffer badly, and you're here arguing that the dogs are more important?

These are unprecedented times, and you can't just waste money.