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Re:Seattle’s leaders let scientists take the lead, New York’... by crazygringo on Sunday April 26, 2020 @02:48PM (#22989197)
Filthiness, trash and rats have zero to do with coronavirus.

COVID-19 is spread principally by breathing, which is unaffected by cleanliness.

And if you think people are packed into subway cars in New York... have you been to Tokyo?

I'm not saying New York is a paragon of cleanliness, but you will have to show some scientific evidence that curbside trash pickup or the occasional subway rat has anything to do with the prevalence of modern-day diseases. Because they simply do not as common knowledge suggests.

Modern diseases like colds and flus are spread through close contact in schools, office buildings and subways the exact same as they are every other major city on the planet.

Re:Seattle’s leaders let scientists take the lead, New York’... by areyousure on Sunday April 26, 2020 @03:21PM (#22989435)
> COVID-19 is spread principally by breathing, which is unaffected by cleanliness.

Masks?

> I'm not saying New York is a paragon of cleanliness, but you will have to show some scientific evidence that curbside trash pickup or the occasional subway rat has anything to do with the prevalence of modern-day diseases. Because they simply do not as common knowledge suggests.

Initial reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rats_in_New_York_City#Disease,...

Diseases carried by NYC rats: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25316698

Hong Kong and literal SARS: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12932393/

"Urban Norway and black rats (Rattus norvegicus and Rattus rattus) are the source of a number of pathogens responsible for significant human morbidity and mortality in cities around the world.": https://doi.org/10.1089/vbz.2012.1195

Re:Seattle’s leaders let scientists take the lead, New York’... by crazygringo on Sunday April 26, 2020 @08:17PM (#22991615)
Key quote: "it is unclear how infectious the rats are to residents".

Yes, we all know rats can carry disease, and that this has been a historical problem (e.g. the Black Death).

But it's not like coming into physical contact with a rat, or even their droppings or anything, is a common occurrence in NYC.

In 10 years living in New York City, I've seen a rat maybe 50 times total? Every single one was on the subway tracks (i.e. inaccessible), except exactly once I saw one at the end of the deserted platform, but far away from people.

Now I'm sure there are rats elsewhere, I'm just a single data point.

But nevertheless, to put it simply, getting diseases from rats is not a known public health problem in New York City. You cannot extrapolate a risk here simply from the presence of rats.

Re:Seattle’s leaders let scientists take the lead, New York’... by downerending on Sunday April 26, 2020 @09:25PM (#22992033)
If you'd like to see a rat (as in rats), go to one of the city parks on trash day. The cans get emptied 24-48 hours before the trucks pick them up. Go there in the evening and sit maybe 30 meters from the trash heap. Watch carefully. Extra credit: Toss them french fries.

If you're up for a more disturbing experience, go sit on those benches at the south end of Riverside Park--the ones next to the ivy or whatever. Listen for the squeaking. Guess what? Those are rats. Lots and lots of rats, like in Jurassic Park or something.

Re:Seattle’s leaders let scientists take the lead, New York’... by downerending on Sunday April 26, 2020 @03:09PM (#22989347)
The connection is that the residents have simply come to accept those conditions and many related ones that probably will turn out to be relevant. It's a culture. (no pun intended)

I haven't been to Tokyo, but I have sat and watched groups of rats feast on curbside trash in Upper Manhattan. Many times. (And the roaches--ugh.)