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Re:UChicago doctors see ‘remarkable’ success using ventilato... by fragmede on Saturday April 25, 2020 @12:09PM (#22979108)
Dr Ignaz Semmelweis had this ludicrous theory, back in 1846, of “cadaverous particles” causing high deaths in women who had just given birth. Despite evidence that it worked, he spent the rest of his life trying to get people to listen. The doctors of the day were so threatened by the possibility that they were the ones killing their patients that they rejected the practice.

We haven’t culturally evolved much further it seems. ”Wacky” ideas are routinely rejected by mainstream science; eg ulcers being caused by germs rather than stress, and can be cured as such. What societal changes need to come about that this doctor doesn't have to make YouTube videos for a month?

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/01/12/3756639...

Re:UChicago doctors see ‘remarkable’ success using ventilato... by azinman2 on Saturday April 25, 2020 @12:47PM (#22979346)
Probably because there are so many ludicrous theories that are just plain wrong, and likely they outnumber the crazy ideas that will turn out to be true. Just look at MMS / injecting bleach debacle going on.
Re:UChicago doctors see ‘remarkable’ success using ventilato... by ineedasername on Saturday April 25, 2020 @03:39PM (#22980754)
You attribute this to a lack of cultural evolution, but the problem is that wacky ideas that might be right are frequently difficult to discern from outright pseudo-science.

The idea of "cadaverous particles" in fact appears to be at least partly a bit of pseudo-science: There are no such things. Semmelweis had accidentally stumbled onto germs, but he didn't know it, and therefore his reasoning was flawed even if it gave a correct result; If the doctors stopped dissecting corpses, that would have reduced things just as much as the mid-wife ward. If he'd understood why washing hands actually worked, he could have had the mid-wives do so as well and save many more lives.

I also don't think it's correct, at least using the Semmelweis example, to say that "we haven't culturally evolved". Semmelweis's failure to spread what he learned was at least as much victim of his own personality as anything else: "Semmelweis was not very tactful. He publicly berated people who disagreed with him and made some influential enemies".

Re:UChicago doctors see ‘remarkable’ success using ventilato... by mmsimanga on Saturday April 25, 2020 @05:51PM (#22981877)
Side note, my wife spent two years studying in Vienna. As a result my daughter was born at Semmelweis Hospital. I took some time to read about Semmelweis and he seems to have been ahead of his time. Great contributor to medicine.
Re:UChicago doctors see ‘remarkable’ success using ventilato... by beagle3 on Saturday April 25, 2020 @01:42PM (#22979746)
There’s a saying, “progress is made one funeral at a time”, especially in science but also in other areas; smbc had a good comic about it too a whole back (am in mobile and can’t find it now).

Linus Pauling famously and successfully used all his night to reject the idea of quasicrystals. The Updated concept of crystals was adopted shortly after his death; i can’t say I was able to track the history - there is an enormous amount of whitewashing - but it seems initially everyone rejected quasicrystals, but eventually people started to look at ahechtman’s evidence - and accept it, except not publicly because the luminaries of the field led by Pauling rejected it. And then Pauling’s funeral allowed the science to finally advance.

Re:UChicago doctors see ‘remarkable’ success using ventilato... by ineedasername on Saturday April 25, 2020 @03:49PM (#22980847)
When I studied computational linguistics, my professors told me that a great deal of promising research on linguistics in the US had been similarly stifled by Noam Chomsky and his adherents, the result being a relative stagnation in "continental" linguistics compared to that seen in Europe.