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Re:Pennsylvania factory team clocks out after 28 days of liv... by save_ferris on Thursday April 23, 2020 @12:41PM (#22957880)
The “worst” of that set includes names like Zuckerberg, Thiel and even Sam Altman, among many others.[0]

I’d be willing to bet that a pretty significant percentage of the tech elite have taken serious steps like this, this clearly isn’t a small set of obscure players.

0: https://www.inquisitr.com/3950643/billionaires-are-building-...

Re:Pennsylvania factory team clocks out after 28 days of liv... by wahern on Thursday April 23, 2020 @01:43PM (#22958625)
You mean the Zuckerberg who funded the program that will now provide free COVID-19 testing to all California counties? https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/04/417191/ucsf-offer-free-cov...
Re:Pennsylvania factory team clocks out after 28 days of liv... by save_ferris on Thursday April 23, 2020 @02:09PM (#22958974)
To be clear, I’m not accusing Zuckerberg or anyone else of avoiding philanthropy altogether. No doubt Zuckerberg has donated a lot of money to charity.

He has a major foundation whose stated goal is to improve wellbeing around the world and a massive social media company that constantly markets itself as making the world a better place.

If his foundation and company are truly fulfilling their missions, why is he buying up land in Hawaii and elsewhere to go hide out if everything goes bust?

Whether we like it not, people like Zuckerberg are some of the biggest leaders on the planet. We worship the kind of money and power people like him have.

To see people like that so unsure of the world in which they have an immense amount of influence over deeply undercuts their image of being these brilliant and visionary leaders.

Re:Pennsylvania factory team clocks out after 28 days of liv... by craftinator on Friday April 24, 2020 @10:45AM (#22968480)
> To see people like that so unsure of the world in which they have an immense amount of influence over deeply undercuts their image of being these brilliant and visionary leaders.

This is a beautiful sentence. It is often touted, "If you don't like the culture you live in, change it". The response of most people is that they don't have the influence to change it, and it's better to just bare it until they can move on. The examples of Zuck, Thiel, and others who do have this influence, but choose to invest in fallback plans rather than throwing everything into making the needed changes says a lot about the mentality that breeds success in the US.

Re:Pennsylvania factory team clocks out after 28 days of liv... by ericd on Thursday April 23, 2020 @11:48PM (#22964436)
Because people sometimes buy insurance for things even when they think they’re not likely to happen, and even as they’re working to try to make them not happen?
Re:Pennsylvania factory team clocks out after 28 days of liv... by nickff on Thursday April 23, 2020 @12:52PM (#22958023)
I don't understand why hedging against long-tail events is 'bad'. They bought large quantities of supplies, and hired a bunch of people to build them facilities which could be of benefit in the event of a catastrophe. The tradesmen doing the building were probably happy to do the work, and I am sure the supplies provided a number of manufacturing and administrative jobs. I don't see a problem; unless you think this pandemic was caused by bunker construction.

Is buying a lot of insurance also evil?

Re:Pennsylvania factory team clocks out after 28 days of liv... by xenophon on Thursday April 23, 2020 @01:41PM (#22958603)
The issue here is moral hazard. Yes, buying insurance is bad if it disincentivizes you to work your hardest to prevent the outcome that you're insured against.

Not saying that everyone with a bunker falls into this category. But it's certainly true that when the best resourced and connected among us have the means to withdraw comfortably, their aggregate effort to remedy whatever is causing the disruption will diminish.

Re:Pennsylvania factory team clocks out after 28 days of liv... by ThrowawayR2 on Thursday April 23, 2020 @01:57PM (#22958794)
> "Yes, buying insurance is bad if it disincentivizes you to work your hardest to prevent the outcome that you're insured against."

Most people here have home fire insurance coverage but don't have extinguishers (or haven't checked them in years), sprinklers, or a fire safe. So is fire insurance coverage bad?

Re:Pennsylvania factory team clocks out after 28 days of liv... by ben_w on Thursday April 23, 2020 @02:24PM (#22959213)
”if”

Fire risks the loss of things that insurance cannot replace, such as your face, dog, or offspring.

Re:Pennsylvania factory team clocks out after 28 days of liv... by ericd on Thursday April 23, 2020 @11:51PM (#22964448)
So does social unrest in the country you grew up in and have lived your entire life. This whole thread is bizarre.
Re:Pennsylvania factory team clocks out after 28 days of liv... by ben_w on Friday April 24, 2020 @02:50AM (#22965332)
Good point.

I think the fear is of billionaires using money to save the bits they want by running away rather than the bits you want by fixing the society.

Re:Pennsylvania factory team clocks out after 28 days of liv... by jb775 on Thursday April 23, 2020 @01:57PM (#22958795)
Because they want to reap the benefits of a large society to enrich themselves, then cut and run once society faces hard times.

Once this is all over, they'll want to stroll back in like nothing happened. Ideally, we won't let them back in.

Re:Pennsylvania factory team clocks out after 28 days of liv... by Retric on Thursday April 23, 2020 @01:03PM (#22958147)
Traveling to those bunkers could spread the virus. Just stay home is a completely viable option.

Some basic risk analysis shows the trip increases risks and is therefore a dumb move even if the idea of a bunker could be useful in other situations.

Re:Pennsylvania factory team clocks out after 28 days of liv... by jeromegv on Thursday April 23, 2020 @01:35PM (#22958506)
Did any of them actually travelled to their bunker? Or are you blaming them for something that didn't happen?
Re:Pennsylvania factory team clocks out after 28 days of liv... by techsupporter on Thursday April 23, 2020 @01:36PM (#22958518)
Re:Pennsylvania factory team clocks out after 28 days of liv... by bdamm on Thursday April 23, 2020 @01:56PM (#22958792)
This is a form of critical thinking error. "They" wanted to build a safe destination in case of a multitude of possible conditions come to occur. You are looking with a historical lens on what has happened and then labeling them "dumb" based on the knowledge we have now. If you look at it that way, almost any disaster planning is "dumb".
Re:Pennsylvania factory team clocks out after 28 days of liv... by Retric on Thursday April 23, 2020 @02:51PM (#22959588)
No, you misunderstand. I am saying owning a bunker may be a valuable thing in some emergency’s. However, just because this is an emergency does not mean going to a bunker now is a good idea.
Re:Pennsylvania factory team clocks out after 28 days of liv... by save_ferris on Thursday April 23, 2020 @01:03PM (#22958148)
There’s something incredibly disingenuous about creating companies around the idea of “making the world a better place” and beading oneself as a world visionary while simultaneously taking extreme measures assuming the worst is about to happen. If the collective sentiment around the ruling class was that the world is becoming a better, safer place, why build the shelter?

> Is buying a lot of insurance also evil?

Generally, I don’t think so. Insurance exists to protect one’s finances, and it’s one of the oldest financial instruments out there. But you can’t eat an insurance policy, it can’t sustain life.