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Re:Google Duo rolls out realtime AV1 by buggeryorkshire on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @04:53PM (#22939201)
AFAIK - Hangouts is going to be nuked at some point. Meet is for gSuite, Duo is the product for consumers.

TBF both Meet and Duo have been awesome, Hangouts has withered on the vine. It could have been a unified solution but... Google.

Re:Google Duo rolls out realtime AV1 by kyrra on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @05:06PM (#22939330)
Googler, opinions are my own.

My understanding is Google has said externally that they plan on killing the classic Hangouts product. So that means Google chat and Google Meet would be available in consumer space for people with @gmail.com addresses. but right now the focus of those two products is on gSuite.

I'd also definitely agree with what other people are saying, duo is the FaceTime competitor. It has direct integration into the Google dialer in the Google SMS app. It's also rather brain dead simple to use.

Re:Google Duo rolls out realtime AV1 by philsnow on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @05:37PM (#22939590)
> classic hangouts

This is weird to hear, to me hangouts was always the new thing that ousted gchat.

> google chat [...] would be available in consumer space

I can't imagine they're bringing back the old old thing, are they?

Re:Google Duo rolls out realtime AV1 by ilikehurdles on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @05:43PM (#22939636)
Apparently GChat was only a colloquial term for the product formerly known as Google Talk? I thought it was a separate thing from the Talk VoIP service.
Re:Google Duo rolls out realtime AV1 by joecool1029 on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @05:51PM (#22939714)
Nah, it was official: http://web.archive.org/web/20171019144317/https://support.go...

The Wikipedia disambiguation page really clears up the mess that is Google's branding: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chat

Re:Google Duo rolls out realtime AV1 by ilikehurdles on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @06:31PM (#22940037)
Good to know I'm not going crazy. Maybe being gaslighted by wikipedia editors but that's not out of the ordinary. The Wikipedia entry for Google Talk[1], says:

> Google Talk, also known as Google Chat,[1] was an instant messaging service that provided both text and voice communication.[2] The instant messaging service was variously referred to colloquially as Gchat, Gtalk, or Gmessage among its users.[3]

What a mess.

[1]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Talk

Re:Google Duo rolls out realtime AV1 by casefields on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @08:09PM (#22940664)
I wish they would put a "Messaging Czar" in charge with completely authority, to fix that mess. They know their target is iMessage and WhatsApp, yet don't seem to coalesce around any product in particular.

Are they too scared of regulators to make an iMessage-like service in Android? RCS will barely nibble at the ground they need to cover in order to compete for real.

Re:Google Duo rolls out realtime AV1 by fossuser on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @06:55PM (#22940184)
Even the disambiguation page is missing Google Buzz which existed for a brief time somewhere in there.
Re:Google Duo rolls out realtime AV1 by nl on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @08:19PM (#22940737)
Google Buzz was a social network, not a video service.
Re:Google Duo rolls out realtime AV1 by kyrra on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @12:02AM (#22942000)
Google chat = Google Hangouts Chat. They rebranded it 10 days ago.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/9/21215588/google-chat-hango...

It is effectively a slack or teams competitor.

Classic Hangouts is/was a lot of things. Sadly it was too many things. The new Chat has very similar Gmail integration, so if they ever get it out to consumer, it hopefully won't be a big change for people.

Re:Google Duo rolls out realtime AV1 by dbbk on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @06:50AM (#22944207)
Hangouts has come a long way... it started out as a 'drop-in group video' feature for Google+. The idea being you could "hangout" with your friends by just starting a room and then anyone who saw it could join you. Basically Houseparty.
Re:Google Duo rolls out realtime AV1 by criddell on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @05:17PM (#22939421)
Do you know if there's any kind of whitepaper describing Duo's security model? When I search for information I'm finding a lot of stuff about Cisco's Duo product, but not a lot about Google's.

Specifically, where do the private keys reside?

Re:Google Duo rolls out realtime AV1 by bilal4hmed on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @05:56PM (#22939760)
I havent seen a whitepaper as such, but their help goes over this , they say the private keys are saved on device only https://support.google.com/duo/answer/9280240?hl=en
Re:Google Duo rolls out realtime AV1 by buttersbrian on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @08:59PM (#22940973)
On mobile -- Messages + Duo converging a bit and you'll be able to receive video calls whether you have duo or not.

Desktop -- Meet/Chat converging and getting a unified UI for business/desktop users.

I think it is taking time, but it's finally happening and Hangouts will officially be shut down when the merging happens.

Re:Google Duo rolls out realtime AV1 by aaaxyz on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @01:39AM (#22942599)
I've been using chat and meet for a few months. Chat has seen no new features added in months, the UI is atrocious (switching from a dark terminal window to a Google chat tab will burn your retina), it offers no customization besides the colour of your emojis and even the official Google bots can't understand basic requests like "Schedule a meeting with everyone in this room". Slack is way way (way) ahead of it.

The integration with Meet consists of a single "invite to video call" button that creates a new video call and inserts the link into your message. There's no option to stop people from inviting you to new calls/set your Google chat status as busy when accepting a call.

Meet itself is also frustrating to use for anything more than a 2-3 person meeting; it doesn't display more than 4 video feeds at once on your screen. It's also unable to save settings between video calls (if you don't want to have incoming and outgoing 720p streams all the time you have to change the settings at the start of every call). Zoom and even Jitsi are both miles ahead of it.

There is no reason to use either product besides the fact that they come with enterprise Gmail accounts. They both still feel like prototypes or minimum viable products (especially Chat).

Re:Google Duo rolls out realtime AV1 by tssva on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @10:22PM (#22952265)
Google Meet now shows up to 16 video feeds at once on your screen.
Re:Google Duo rolls out realtime AV1 by Mindwipe on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @08:31AM (#22944830)
This sounds pretty dreadful bluntly as a product offering.

A mobile only consumer proposition is useless. Sounds like Google's internal strategy here is still a disaster.

Re:Google Duo rolls out realtime AV1 by tssva on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @10:23PM (#22952271)
Duo is not mobile only.