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Re:West’s incompetent response to pandemic will hasten the p... by scoot_718 on Monday April 20, 2020 @10:40PM (#22931292)
And what about China's incompetent response?
Re:West’s incompetent response to pandemic will hasten the p... by galaxyLogic on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @01:11AM (#22932157)
Right let us not forget that China tried to hide it all initially, attacking the whistle-blower.

Such a thing as jailing whistle-blower happens more easily in autocracies than in democracies, one could assume.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0...

Re:West’s incompetent response to pandemic will hasten the p... by thawaway1837 on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @07:44AM (#22934012)
The US, today, has a whole horde of influential people (including the President, probably) who are attacking Dr Fauci.

At a time where the virus and its lethality is undeniable, and Fauci isn’t even just a random doctor, but probably one of the most decorated doctor in the past few decades.

Re:West’s incompetent response to pandemic will hasten the p... by 101404 on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @09:30AM (#22934770)
Discussing a topic controversially is just that, a discussion.

When the Chinese government "attacks" somebody, that person disappears and often dies.

Just wanting to remind people of the difference.

Re:West’s incompetent response to pandemic will hasten the p... by galaxyLogic on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @02:38PM (#22937951)
That is a big difference thank you. We should also be aware that any action by the Government or President or Faux News to silence or ridicule the whistle-blower(s) takes us a step into the direction of China
Re:West’s incompetent response to pandemic will hasten the p... by 101404 on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @07:42PM (#22940502)
There has been no recent US president who didn't try to silence whistle blowers.

Therefore: no, it doesn't. It's something people in power will always attempt. That's why "checks and balances" are so important (and I don't know any country where they are so well implemented as in the US).

Re:West’s incompetent response to pandemic will hasten the p... by yostrovs on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @08:17AM (#22934224)
Fauci has been a bureaucrat longer than most people on HN have been alive. And he's been in charge of a department of the US government that hasn't been responsible for anything before the current event. Perhaps he's being lionized a bit much.
Re:West’s incompetent response to pandemic will hasten the p... by excalibur on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @10:05AM (#22935075)
In the current administration, even a basic level of competence is remarkable and celebrated.
Re:West’s incompetent response to pandemic will hasten the p... by musicale on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @08:13AM (#22934198)
It was a great shame when Dr. Fauci was imprisoned and forced to read a confession on Fox News, apologizing for disturbing the public order by correcting Trump.
Re:West’s incompetent response to pandemic will hasten the p... by monkeydreams on Monday April 20, 2020 @11:00PM (#22931398)
That was mentioned in the article - it was described as disastrous, at least initially. Now? China has a firmer grasp on the problem of COVID-19 and are battling it on many fronts, including the geopolitical.

Western governments (edit:those listed in the article such as the US and European powers), on the other hand, have been beset by decades of political parties attacking the legitimacy and foundations of the political system in order to score points against their rivals. This has led to a widespread unease and distrust among their voters, and a subsequent weakening of their governmental controls and regulations.

I don't agree with all the points raised in this piece, and I suspect that this weakness of the West is part of a longer cycle. But, for now, there is some points raised in this article that we should ponder.

Re:West’s incompetent response to pandemic will hasten the p... by rumanator on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @02:25AM (#22932527)
> China has a firmer grasp on the problem of COVID-19

Between covering up the fact that their death rate was a few orders of magnitude higher and deciding to intentionally leaving out infected but asymptomatic cases from their infection statistics while boasting that new cases occurred due to infected foreigners entering the country , it's patently obvious that the Chinese regime does not and never had a good grasp on the problem.

And if that does not convince you, let's not forget that the Chinese regime's talking heads tried to pin the blame of their outbreak on Italy.

Re:West’s incompetent response to pandemic will hasten the p... by vosper on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @04:23AM (#22933065)
> it's patently obvious that the Chinese regime does not and never had a good grasp on the problem.

I think they had a good grasp on the problem, but the problem to them was (as it always is for China’s leadership) firstly about maintaining control, and at best secondarily about dealing with Covid.

Re:West’s incompetent response to pandemic will hasten the p... by furyg3 on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @06:07AM (#22933536)
Let’s also not forget that it began there in the first place, and there is a serious probability that this particular disease could have been completely avoided in humans.

People have been saying, for years, that the ‘wet markets’ of exotic animals are breeding grounds for inter-species diseases. The Chinese government did not listen to these complaints for many reasons, including the fact that ‘medicinal remedies’ made from exotic animals are a status symbol for upper-class Chinese.

Re:West’s incompetent response to pandemic will hasten the p... by rumanator on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @04:45AM (#22933168)
Becoming aware of the true extent of their mess and having a good grasp on the problem are two entirely different things.

Moreover, the only reason why China's covid19 outbreak threatened the Chinese regime's control over the population is because the Chinese regime failed to address the problem in a timely manner after intentionally turning a blind eye to the problem, and afterwards attacking it as a political threat instead of a public health crisis.

Re:West’s incompetent response to pandemic will hasten the p... by userulluipeste on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @08:18AM (#22934234)
"This has led to a widespread unease and distrust among their voters, and a subsequent weakening of their governmental controls and regulations."

Yet, somehow, living in one of such "western" governed places, I don't feel that there is less governmental control than before. To give you two examples, I remember a time when digital fingerprinting of civilians was mandated only in a criminal context, but now one has to be fingerprinted just to get an ID (passport). Not long ago one could make easy anonymous calls (think of whistleblowing or whatnot). Not anymore, as the public phones aren't around any more and since not so long ago getting a cell phone number requires revealing one's identity. These may be anecdotal, but still.

Re:West’s incompetent response to pandemic will hasten the p... by thawaway1837 on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @07:42AM (#22934001)
China’s incompetent response was at worse as bad as, say, the US, UK or the EU’s incompetent response at least a few months later when the scale and dangers of this virus were far more evident.

Heck, in the US the President is still engaging in the kind of denialism and lies that we are calling China incompetent for because they engaged in it in the very beginning of the crisis, where the impact was not clear at all.

Re:West’s incompetent response to pandemic will hasten the p... by squiggleblaz on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @04:50AM (#22933181)
Mainland China lost a five thousand people and got less than 90 thousand infected without warning. Germany still receives praise for a "competent" response with so far the same number of dead and they're so far at more than 140 thousand infected. And that's one of the most praised responses in the West!

China responded badly and recovered. West is still in an arrogant denial.

Re:West’s incompetent response to pandemic will hasten the p... by sebwi on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @08:28AM (#22934313)
So, you are confident that the numbers published by the Chinese government are accurate?
Re:West’s incompetent response to pandemic will hasten the p... by Zenbit_UX on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @09:21AM (#22934690)
FYI China's numbers were fixed a few days ago, they were off but not by that much from the new total.
Re:West’s incompetent response to pandemic will hasten the p... by SpicyLemonZest on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @09:46AM (#22934914)
China's numbers were fixed in an incredibly suspicious way - their Wuhan death toll increased by exactly 50%. I don't think it's reasonable to believe the new numbers any more than the old ones.
Re:West’s incompetent response to pandemic will hasten the p... by sebwi on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @04:14PM (#22938875)
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking as well. I'm always amazed how careless people deal with statistics, particularly if these very statistics have poltical value to someone. While there are certainly naive people out there, most of the times it just seems like intentional misunderstanding to push a certain narrative.