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Re:Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract e... by cletus on Monday April 20, 2020 @11:27AM (#22924707)
> Not really. Almost all contracts are cash settled.

The parent comment is 100% correct. You're missing the nuance of how commodity futures trading works. Yes most are cash-settled but there is a date after which if you hold the contract you're promising to make or accept physical delivery. The commenter is saying we reach that point for the May oil contract tomorrow so anyone who wants to settle in cash has to do so by tomorrow.

Re:Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract e... by ping_pong on Monday April 20, 2020 @11:50AM (#22924968)
Yes, this almost happened to me once when I was trading futures. My broker called me several times throughout the day and I couldn't take the call. When I finally did, he told me to roll my contract forward that day otherwise I would have to take delivery of 1000 bushels of corn.
Re:Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract e... by ISL on Monday April 20, 2020 @02:06PM (#22926571)
My grandfather in Colorado did the opposite once in the 1970s. He needed some cattle, so he bought a small quantity of cattle futures of some form (I was too young when I heard the story to remember the details) from a broker/commodity trader in Chicago.

When the contract approached the settlement date, the broker called to ask him to sell. Trouble was, my grandfather just wanted cows, not cash. The broker was frustrated to no end.

Long story short, my grandfather got the cattle, as the contract required, but was asked by the broker never to do business with them again.

N.B. Don't do this unless you're interested in financial silliness, or if the futures are really badly mispriced. It is a lot easier, and you get to see the cattle first, if you buy through a local cattle auction.

Re:Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract e... by mcv on Monday April 20, 2020 @04:50PM (#22928385)
I don't know. Somebody has to take delivery of the cattle, so why not the guy who wants some cattle?
Re:Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract e... by chrisco255 on Monday April 20, 2020 @05:13PM (#22928641)
People do take delivery on commodities obviously but you don't want to go through a speculator for this.
Re:Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract e... by baq on Monday April 20, 2020 @05:06PM (#22928551)
yeah, this just makes the whole business of futures trading seem like a scam where the people actually interested in the things being traded are pawns.
Re:Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract e... by cerberusss on Monday April 20, 2020 @02:55PM (#22927079)
Marvelous story, thanks for sharing.
Re:Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract e... by caseysoftware on Monday April 20, 2020 @11:59AM (#22925076)
I'd love to hear from someone that got stuck with the 1000 bushels of corn (or similar). What do you do? How in the world do you manage that?
Re:Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract e... by lozaning on Monday April 20, 2020 @12:15PM (#22925272)
There's a story online thats floated around for a while about a guy that ended up with like 10 tonnes of coal this way. Was delivered via barge somewhere if I recall correctly.

Edit: finally found it: https://thedailywtf.com/articles/Special-Delivery

Re:Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract e... by whatok on Monday April 20, 2020 @12:15PM (#22925278)
John C. Hull - Options, Futures, and Other Derivatives has details on an accidental cattle futures physical settlement.

https://www.passeidireto.com/arquivo/73586616/john-c-hull-op...

Re:Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract e... by Qworg on Monday April 20, 2020 @01:24PM (#22926056)
There's a great Planet Money story on the Onion King.

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2018/09/19/649273647/epis...

Re:Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract e... by selimthegrim on Monday April 20, 2020 @01:33PM (#22926190)
You know, why didn’t Louis Sachar write a YA book about this?
Re:Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract e... by mrnobody_67 on Monday April 20, 2020 @03:52PM (#22927752)
That was an amazing episode
Re:Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract e... by bluGill on Monday April 20, 2020 @12:19PM (#22925334)
Worse it isn't 1000 bushes at your home it is at some transfer point several states away. If you are lucky it is an elevator that sends you a bill for storage and can unload them. If you are unlucky you need to get a truck (with a driver) there on short notice to get it out of there.
Re:Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract e... by lonelappde on Monday April 20, 2020 @01:27PM (#22926101)
What if you just don't? You probably just get a larger bill.
Re:Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract e... by pas on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @08:41AM (#22934395)
Sure, but that can become a very big bill fast. Basically they can charge you (almost) whatever they want.
Re:Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract e... by cecilpl2 on Monday April 20, 2020 @12:19PM (#22925339)
Re:Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract e... by koheripbal on Monday April 20, 2020 @12:16PM (#22925287)
There are services you can call to help you out of this predicament. Obviously they charge a huge margin.
Re:Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract e... by gezh on Monday April 20, 2020 @03:43PM (#22927628)
If I remember correctly, in contrast to WTI, you will get assigned a shipping/warehouse certificate for wheat/corn in a designated elevator somewhere. You'll have to pay the warehouse a daily carry cost but don't actually have to take it out of that warehouse (you can if you want to).
Re:Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract e... by hkmurakami on Monday April 20, 2020 @04:30PM (#22928164)
That reminds me of the GS Aluminum storage warehouse story.
Re:Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract e... by bluGill on Monday April 20, 2020 @11:43AM (#22924896)
True, but there will be checking to ensure that you want oil if you are not normally a destination for oil. Trying to deliver oil to someone without a loading dock will be a problem that hurts many people trying to correct.
Re:Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract e... by thoraway1010 on Monday April 20, 2020 @12:56PM (#22925738)
100% false. Where are these facts coming from?

The specs for delivery are always very clear because price depends on where it needs to be delivered!

"Delivery shall be made free-on-board ("F.O.B.") at any pipeline or storage facility in Cushing, Oklahoma with pipeline access to Enterprise, Cushing storage or Enbridge, Cushing storage."

What does it mean to be "normally not a destination for oil" and who is doing this checking (do you realize the volume of oil that is traded monthly? The futures market being discussed here uses standardized contracts.

Re:Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract e... by bluGill on Monday April 20, 2020 @01:49PM (#22926384)
Not everyone is allowed to trade, there are rules if you don't have ability to accept oil they make it hard to get a contract that doesn't sell automatically. (not impossible, but a mistake guns up their processes so they have procedures to avoid it)
Re:Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract e... by OrangeMango on Monday April 20, 2020 @03:00PM (#22927135)
And you get the entire month of may to take delivery. If you become an accidental owner of crude oil tomorrow, you still have time to arrange a solution with someone that can take it. Financially, it doesn't sound like a good situation to be in though.